Don Wilson on the Future of Trading: GPUs, the Cloud, and Tokenization

Overall the ~40 minute conversation was very interesting. One of the most interesting parts related to the possibility of GPU futures trading. Wilson thinks it could become the world’s biggest market, and is putting his money where his mouth is. This includes the creation of GPU price indices.
I’m pretty skeptical on the prospects for this market. I note at the outset that it is very difficult to predict which futures contracts will succeed, and which will not. Most don’t.
In a nutshell, the necessary conditions for a successful futures contract are pretty well established. The underlying market must be large. The price of the underlying must be volatile. The underlying can be heterogeneous, but not too heterogeneous, otherwise basis risk is too big with any single contract, and no single contract can generate enough volume to be viable.
GPU would certainly tick the market size box. Perhaps the volatility box. The heterogeneity box–not so sure, although trading a contract that prices based on a service flow (e.g., flops) rather than chips themselves would probably tick that box as well.
Although the necessary conditions for a successful contract are pretty well established, sufficient conditions are not. One can launch a futures contract on something volatile with a large underlying and price volatility and watch it flop. That happens quite frequently.
What’s missing from most analyses, in my view, are more qualitative things. The most notable of these is market structure. In particular long marketing chains, with a lot of intermediation. Also, relatively low concentration on either the producer or the consumer side.
In commodities, for example, trading firms generate a lot of the hedging activity. They intermediate the flow of the physical, and typically their exposures turn over relatively rapidly, meaning that they are putting on and taking off positions frequently. This generates trading volume and liquidity.
The fragmentation of the value chain and fundamental volatility militate against long term contracts for most commodities. Moreover, the lack of concentration mitigates market power which is often associated with price rigidity (as Dennis Carlton showed many moons ago).
My understanding of the GPU market is that the marketing chains are short, not intermediated, and highly concentrated. For example, there are a small number of very large cloud storage providers. AI is likely to be highly concentrated on the buy side. The GPU production side is obviously very concentrated, being dominated by NVIDIA.
Moreover, transactions cost considerations are likely to lead to a good deal of vertical integration. AI firms are going to buy their own chips. Vertical integration also militates against the development of a liquid futures market.
Given the concentration on both sides of the market, I anticipate that to the extent buyers and sellers want to achieve some price stability, it will be via bilateral contracts between the producers and the big users.
Joe Weisenthal asked the question that came to my mind–what about DRAM futures, which were highly touted at the height of the dotcom boom, and crashed along with NASDAQ in 2000?
I have some personal history here. One of the (many) nascent DRAM futures markets (Buckaroo.com, if you are wondering) flew me out to Mountain View to give my opinion on the prospects for the market. Ironically, I was there the day NASDAQ crashed. (Hmmm, I also had some connection with the ’87 Crash–maybe it’s me!)
My assessment was negative. Not long after, the late CEO of Micron, Steve Appleton had me come out to Boise to give my view. Buckaroo had been importuning him, and when they told him they had talked to me, he invited me to tell him what I had told them. After hearing my take, he told Buckaroo “hard pass.”
My prediction, vindicated by experience, was based on market structure considerations. My skepticism about GPU futures is similarly grounded.
For his part, Wilson dismissed DRAM as a precedent. In his view, the fact that DRAM prices trend down strongly meant that there was no underlying volatility to hedge or trade around.
I don’t find that compelling. Yes, everybody knew that prices for a particular chip type tended to trend down (due mainly to learning-by-doing). But as long as there is variation around that trend, there is a price risk that sellers and/or buyers might want to hedge.
DRAM might not be the only cautionary tale. I’m so old I remember Enron touting bandwidth as the future world’s biggest commodity. Yeah. No.
Another issue is information flow. A high rate of information flow causes high rates of price changes which drive both hedging and speculation. Weather derivatives tick a lot of the necessary condition boxes, but information flow is very lumpy. Consider a weather derivative on July 2026 cooling degree days in Houston. From now until, oh late-June–maybe–there will be relatively little information that flows. So there’s nothing really to trade on until then. Meaning that volumes–and liquidity–will be moribund.
Which is why exchange-traded weather derivatives have never done any real volume.
My intuition is that the information flow about future DRAM value will be pretty modest.
So maybe GPUs will be unlike DRAM and bandwidth and weather, maybe it won’t. I will watch with interest.
Another interesting part of the Odd Lots conversation related to the CME’s move to the cloud. Wilson made the great point that the way the cloud works is not compatible with housing the matching engine there. Especially in a high speed world, it is nigh on impossible to implement time priority on the cloud.
Wilson, Alloway, and Weisenthal also discussed tokenization. Here I agree that this could become a thing, and a big one. It may finally be the moment for DLT/blockchain technology to have a big impact.
It was widely hyped for years as transformative, for everything–including financial markets and commodity markets. I had a 2022 JACF paper expressing skepticism about the potential of DLT/blockchain. I still am skeptical about a lot of the proposed uses (e.g., tokenizing shares of fine art or real estate, or in physical commodity trading). However, tokenizing standard securities, derivatives, or collateral offers some advantages. Like I wrote in the 2022 piece, the interesting thing to watch will be whether the blockchains will be permissioned or public.
Some tokenized ETFs and MFAs trade on permissioned chains, but some are on Ether. In 2022 my intuition was that most trading applications would be via permissioned blockchains, but now I’m not so sure. I’ll revisit that issue as time allows me to get more up to speed on what is going on.
I love the fact new markets are being plowed that were virgin territory before. Bitnomial.com has hashrate futures. Who knew that would exist? Don is incredibly bright. I know him well and have worked with him on things in the past. One thing he doesn’t say in this interview is that he has an investment in a futures exchange and I suspect that exchange will list GPU futures, with DRW making markets. It’s sort of a backdoor way of having a dark pool if you will on the CFTC side of the business!
Weather derivatives were listed at CME when I was on the board. Innovative contract. Never did a thing for the reasons you mention. Climate Exchange was a big bust despite everyone patting their own backs about it. Richard Sandor is a brilliant guy and he was behind the Climate Exchange. ICE took a 100% write down after purchasing it.
Tokenization will be a thing. I was heavily involved in the startup of OpenFinance.com. They were going to tokenize the REIT market. REITs are incredibly inefficient and paper traded. One of my old pit buddies makes markets in it and has a ink stamp, and mounds of paper on his desk to trade it. It’s a call around market. OpenFinance.com went through the SEC process (used Foley as their law firm). It cost them millions. They got through it and got approval to trade. Then, the SEC said no one could trade security tokens….thank you Gary Gensler.
Additionally, the OpenFinance system was based on Ethereum and its blockchain. “Gas” needed to trade and power the chain became very expensive. I hear Solana does not have that problem, but haven’t seen it in operation.
CME/Google going to the cloud with a private blockchain is interesting-but Don is right. Matching engine won’t go there. Clearing will. It’s less interesting for plain vanilla futures than it might be for OTC contracts or perhaps cash treasuries. Howard Lutnick took yet another shot across the CME bow. Looks like they are lining up the boat to go after Cantor Fitz.
Comment by Jeff Carter (@pointsnfigures1) — September 29, 2025 @ 4:48 pm
” although trading a contract that prices based on a service flow (e.g., flops) rather than chips themselves would probably tick that box as well.”
Hmm. Not wholly sure. Yes, flops are this decade’s thing. But there was a time when it was MIPS. And then it wasn’t – because energy management became more important with laptops and mobile phones.
If the service flow desired from chip development changes then that poses problems for a contract defined by one specific service flow perhaps?
Comment by Tim Worstall — September 30, 2025 @ 3:13 am