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May 10, 2014

The President of the Nation With the Double Eagle Flag Flips the West a Double Bird

Filed under: History,Music,Politics,Russia — The Professor @ 7:51 am

Putin flipped a double bird at the world, traveling to Sevastapol to deliver a truculent speech at a Victory Day celebration in the Crimean port city.

A major theme of Putin’s short (4 minute) speech was a demand for respect of Russia.

Obsession with respect and disrespect is characteristic of mafioso, gangbangers, and other psychopaths. Given the rapturous reception to Putin’s rhetoric and actions in Russia, one can only conclude that this is a national trait.

In news from Ukraine, Victory Day wasn’t as bad as I feared. There was fighting in Mariupol that left 21 dead (20 of them apparently separatists killed when the police station that they had seized was retaken by Ukrainian forces). But for the most part, the country was peaceful though restive.

And speaking of psychopaths, the separatists in the Donbas are proceeding with their referendum, allegedly without Russian support. But thinking through the decision tree, this is really a no lose situation for Putin. He (via the GRU) started this effort. If separatist sentiment appeared broad and deep (similar to what appeared to be the case in Crimea) he could support the referendum, insist it proceed, and claim that he was “respecting the right of self-determination” and demand the world do the same. If separation had little support, Putin could do what he has done: request that it be stopped. No doubt, however, he is encouraging the effort privately, because he can now claim publicly that the separatists’ insistence on proceeding demonstrates he does not control them.  What’s more, the apparent climbdown feeds western apathy and encourages western delusions that he can be negotiated with.

And I am sure you are shocked, but there is zero evidence that Russia has withdrawn troops from the border. Nato and the US deny they have observed any movement. But you don’t have to take their word for it. Recall that when Russian troops were moving to the border, there were numerous videos posted on YouTube and numerous photos posted on Twitter and elsewhere showing convoys of Russian armor moving west, on trains, and on the roads. There have been no similar postings of troops moving in the opposite direction either before or since Putin’s claim that the troops had returned to their bases.

This isn’t over. The subversion continues. The election is two weeks out, and expect the efforts to undermine it to pick up.

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  1. Putin’s speech actually wasnt truculent, dont get why you saw it that way. Not even close to that.
    As for Putin’s remark abour troops removal, i guess what he meant was that troops came precipitously close to border after MOD warning and then were withdrawn in couple of hours. Putin is very straithforward in his words, just like were Hitler and Stalin. When he says troops were moved its true but in his own way..
    By the way I’m writing from Moscow, and I hate Putin.

    Comment by erik — May 10, 2014 @ 10:17 am

  2. Trying to keep up with his owner, Rogozin the Ridiculous drank so much vodka while on the loose in Moldova, he hallucinated two Ukrainian fighter jets grounding his flight back to rehab and threatened to come back on a strategic bomber.

    Comment by Ivan — May 10, 2014 @ 11:00 am

  3. “it doesn’t matter who votes – it matters who counts the votes”

    That’s the Russian-Putler-Stalin system of voting

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/100000-yes-ballots-for-referendum-intercepted-2-347222.html

    A group of armed Kremlin-backed rebels in possession of a 100,000 ballots already marked with a ‘yes’ vote for the May 11 referendum in Donetsk Oblast were captured and the ballots seized during the Ukrainian government’s anti-terrorist operation near the rebel-occupied city of Sloviansk on May 10.

    In addition, a Kalashnikov rifle, Makarov pistol, plus ammunition were seized, Obezrevatel reported. Earlier, Ukrainska Pravada reported that the separatists had seized 80 schools in Donetsk city to carry out their referendum.

    Local news website Novosti Donbassa reported that at polling stations in some Donetsk schools voting had already begun.

    Comment by elmer — May 10, 2014 @ 11:02 am

  4. Something funny:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A05s6GrztbQ

    A politician at a Victory Day celebration, at about :50, stated the following: “Hitler put forward the slogans of liberation of people from communist yoke, liberation from the tyrant Stalin, when his primary motivation was movement on a sovereign nation and to grab territory. But people came together in their wish to save their native land…they threw back the aggressor, and showed that people could defend their territory. Today the same thing is happening…” It was a comparison of Putin and his actions in Ukraine, to Hitler’s invasion of Ukraine (over-the-top).

    The reaction in the crowns was funny. They apparently heard “Hitler” and “liberation from communist yoke” and went wild, apparently believing that the speaker was supporting Hitler. Some frenzied woman, using her child as a “human shield”, even threw the microphone out of the guy’s hands. Such a hero! It is like the crowd of villagers from the scene in Monty Python’s Search for the Holy Grail, judging the witch.

    This event is mentioned by Russians, amongst whom even intelligent ones sincerely believe that on Victory Day May 9th, a Kiev-allied politician, himself a Soviet army veteran, actually praised Hitler. People who believe this, will believe anything. This is sadly what (many) Russians are like nowadays.

    Comment by AP — May 10, 2014 @ 11:59 am

  5. The Russian educational system has done a really good job of installing a control mechanism associated with nationalism. Putin touches a couple of nationalist themes and it has just the effect he needs. I do not know how they do it but am amazed at how well it works.

    Comment by pahoben — May 10, 2014 @ 2:16 pm

  6. The Russian educational system has done a really good job of installing a control mechanism associated with nationalism. Putin touches a couple of nationalist themes and it has just the effect he needs. I do not know how they do it but am amazed at how well it works.

    Is that Russia, where the word russkiy is taboo? My jaw dropped when I heard Putin say it like 30 times in his March speech – more than he’d uttered the word in 15 years prior.

    If you want to see a nationalist clusterfuck, Ukrainian school history curriculum is your best bet.

    And then there is the gibberish that is the Ukrainian “language”. Imagine having to write an essay for a university entrance exam in… EBONICS. Which no-one has standardized and no-one actually knows, even the examiners. Had the Eastern Ukrainians (Russians) not been so brainwashed with “internationalism”, “multiculturalism”, “all people are brothers” and other sovok nonsense, they would have rebelled years ago, not now. No other people would have tolerated this crap.

    Comment by So? — May 10, 2014 @ 7:13 pm

  7. Another Great Russian chauvinist pig detected.

    Comment by LL — May 10, 2014 @ 7:35 pm

  8. If you want to see a nationalist clusterfuck, Ukrainian school history curriculum is your best bet.

    Still not as funny as the crowd in Kherson on May 9th and the agitated sincere Russian outrage that a pro-Kiev politician praised Hitler at the May 9th parade.

    Objectively speaking, Russian history textbooks are no less silly than Ukrainian ones when it comes to pushing mythology, particularly when it comes to origins and stuff from the distant past. I guess you can choose which one appeals more to your personal taste in fiction.

    Comment by AP — May 10, 2014 @ 9:05 pm

  9. > Putin (via the GRU) started this effort.

    References please! (unless this was a fabrication on your part)

    > In news from Ukraine, Victory Day wasn’t as bad as I feared. There was fighting in Mariupol that left 21 dead (20 of them apparently separatists

    I can see how 20 dead federalists would be “not a bad day” for you. 20 per day is more than 7000 per year.

    > And speaking of psychopaths…

    Who exactly are “psychopaths”? People demanding American-style federalism?! People demanding the restoration of the Constitution and democracy?!

    > And I am sure you are shocked, but there is zero evidence that Russia has withdrawn troops from the border. Nato and the US deny they have observed any movement.

    What evidence is there that Nato and the US aren’t lying as usual? Do you remember Powell’s “Iraq’s WMDs” speech, or Kerry recently blaming pro-Russian forces of writing the Donetsk anti-semitic letter, which was actually written by his Maidan puppets? Why would NATO and US suddenly try to tell the truth? They have no experience in doing so.

    > Obsession with respect and disrespect is characteristic of mafioso, gangbangers, and other psychopaths
    > And speaking of psychopaths

    Obsession with the word “psychopaths” is also characteristic of psychopaths.

    > there were numerous videos posted on YouTube and numerous photos posted on Twitter and elsewhere showing convoys of Russian armor moving west

    Professor, can you teach me how to tell from a video and especially a photo, in which direction its subjects are moving: west, east, north or south? Position of the Sun?:-)
    And how do you tell when those videos were taken: yesterday? 5 years ago?

    > There have been no similar postings of troops moving in the opposite direction either before or since Putin’s claim that the troops had returned to their bases.

    Just take the previous videos/pictures and interchange “east” and “west”.

    Comment by vladislav — May 10, 2014 @ 10:37 pm

  10. AP,

    > People who believe this, will believe anything. This is sadly what (many) Russians are like nowadays.

    The same can be said of those who believe that Putin is like Hitler, i.e., Hitler was like Putin, and those who write “Putler”, like so many moronic commenters in this blog.

    Comment by vladislav — May 10, 2014 @ 10:39 pm

  11. > Still not as funny as the crowd in Kherson on May 9th…

    Let me post some things that are also not as funny. In fact they are horrifying. Ukrainian schoolchildren taught by school authorities to chant “Kill Moskals!” at school demonstrations (“Moskals” is an an ethnic slur for Russians):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrJC6rU9lG0
    Школьная линейка в украинской школе. Москаляку на гиляку!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbAVIsF2UuA
    Школьная линейка Дрогобича. Школьники скандируют Москалей на ножи!

    And here are a few examples of adults doing so:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3Mr_ZrrqEQ
    Москалей на ножи, Правый Сектор идет по городу.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4WMU0rQqkc
    Марш бандеровцев УПА: москалей на ножи!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS0soKFrhqA
    Киев. 27.03.2014.Правосеки перед штурмом Верховной Рады.”Москалей на ножи”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCCH1BTLFro
    Приезд Фарион в Одессу Москалей – на ножи!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOVnsd6e4_Y
    Хватит бухать пора воевать! Москалей на ножи!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbH_kj21rVk
    25 03 14 Правый сектор Россия, жди! Москалей на ножи!
    ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX_ja9OezuE
    14.3.2013 №10 Москалей на ножи!

    Comment by vladislav — May 10, 2014 @ 10:48 pm

  12. “Who exactly are “psychopaths”? People demanding American-style federalism?! People demanding the restoration of the Constitution and democracy

    1. The so-called federalists do not demand American-style federalism, they demand much more – veto power over national decisions such as EU association, essentially their own foreign policy, etc. An American state cannot refuse to join NAFTA, or can choose to join Russia’s Customs Union.

    2. Fighting to disrupt and prevent the presidential elections is hardly “restoration of democracy.”

    > People who believe this, will believe anything. This is sadly what (many) Russians are like nowadays.

    The same can be said of those who believe that Putin is like Hitler, i.e., Hitler was like Putin, and those who write “Putler”, like so many moronic commenters in this blog.

    Putin is not like Hitler – although the Crimean takeover was quite similar to what was done in Austria and the Sudatenland. However a comparison of the man to Hitler is an opinion or value judgment. In the case of Kherson we are talking about actual events and wild misperceptions of them by the Russian public.

    Comment by AP — May 10, 2014 @ 10:55 pm

  13. > Still not as funny as the crowd in Kherson on May 9th

    Tell me, AP, is the population of Kherson in favor of Russia and against the junta? If so – I am glad you admitted this.

    And if you think otherwise – that majority of the population of Kherson are in favor the junta,- then you are laughing at your own fellow pro-Maidan people, aren’t you?

    And in EITHER case, you are making fun of the “stupidity” of your fellow Ukrainians.

    Comment by vladislav — May 10, 2014 @ 10:56 pm

  14. @ vladislav,

    According to polls Kherson is leaning towards Kiev.

    Tell me, AP, is the population of Kherson in favor of Russia and against the junta? If so – I am glad you admitted this.

    According to polls, it is leaning towards Kiev.

    And if you think otherwise – that majority of the population of Kherson are in favor the junta,- then you are laughing at your own fellow pro-Maidan people, aren’t you?

    You are assuming that the crowd there was representative of the entire Kherson population. I suspect they were not. The idiot-woman with the kid was carrying the communist flag (not even the victory one, a simple red one).

    “And in EITHER case, you are making fun of the “stupidity” of your fellow Ukrainians.

    Of course. The anti-Kiev ones.

    Comment by AP — May 10, 2014 @ 11:25 pm

  15. AP, you recently replied to my question as to your support for scumball Poroshenko for President, you replied to me that while your own man Poroshenko speaks like a real drunk retard, there are some Uke Maidan politicians who aren’t:

    > More bios of people involved here: Arseney Avbakov: Armenian from Baku… Yatseniuk: son of a history professor and French teacher… Turchinov: graduated from a mettalurgical institute… Tiahnybok: son of a physicians…Compare these guys to Dobkin, Yanukovich, and associated thugs.

    But none of these people is going to be the next President of Ukraine. There are only 2 viable candidates, 2 front-runners in the Ukrainian presidential elections: oligarch Poroshenko (your favorite) and oligarch Tymoshenko. In view that the pro-democracy, non-fascist part of Maidan rebelled against government corruption, who do you think will be able to rob and destroy Ukraine faster: Poroshenko or Tymoshenko?

    Tymoshenko has the following credentials in this competition:

    1. Together with her alleged lover Prime-Minister Lazarenko she sole several $hundred million from the Ukrainian treasury. Lazarenko, who later escaped to San Francisco, was sentenced by US courts to 9 years for his role in this. Because Tymoshenko was NOT living in the US, the US Justice Department couldn’t arrest her and instead treated her as a “un-indicted co-conspirator” in the Lazarenko trial.

    2. She was caught on audiotape opining that the problems of 8 million of Ukrainians of Russian ethnicity should be solved by “nuking them”.

    3. Less than a week ago she was caught on videotape in the Odessa governor’s office giving orders to the Odessa officials to send goons to assault 95-year old WWII veterans at their V-day parade in order to “stir up Odessa”.

    4. A few days ago Yulia Tymoshenko threatened that if she doesn’t get her way, and Poroshenko is elected President (as expected), she will start yet another bloody revolution: “If the country elects some other president, and, as a matter of fact, I have only one rival now, I think we will have to venture the third round of revolution.”

    Poroshenko’s credentials are fewer but they are powerful in their own right:

    1. He is the seventh wealthiest Ukrainian oligarch, with an estimated personal worth of $1.3 billion. That’s more than Tymoshenko. And he got his initial wealth not like Bill Gates (creating a new product) but like Tymoshenko or Khosorkovsky: by appropriating huge profitable government property for next to nothing with the help of his “friends” in the government during the “privatization” boondoggle.

    2. Poroshenko is a close relative of President Yuschenko, which allowed him to double his wealth just in one year: from $756 million in 2007 to $1.45 billion in 2008, an accomplishment that puts Yuschenko/Poroshenko way ahead of Tymoshenko/Lazarenko.

    2. He has a huge advantage over Yulia Tymoshenko in the area of culture. While Yulia throws 4-letter words sparingly and often euphemistically, Poroshenko talks like a first-grade dropout in a drunk stupor. Here is, for example, a conversation between him and the editor of Ukraine Channel 5 TV network, in which Poroshenko orders the editor and the journalists to cover the news the way Poroshenko wants:

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=836290776384277
    Розмова Порошенка з головою правління 5 канала Лясовським

    A rough translation of Poroshenko’s language would be:

    “I fucking pay your motherfucking salaries and I motherfucking want you cunts to follow my motherfucking orders, shit”.

    ———————————

    So, who will bankrupt Ukraine (economically and morally) faster: Tymoshenko or Poroshenko? Who will steal at a faster rate?

    Also: does Tymoshenko stand a chance, or is Poroshenko’s presidency a done deal? If so – when and how will Tymoshenko start her “3rd revolution”, how bloody will it be, and will the West support her again?

    And finally: how soon will be the next rebellion of Ukrainian people against government corruption?

    Comment by vladislav — May 11, 2014 @ 12:19 am

  16. >> Another Great Russian chauvinist pig detected.

    C’mon, this particular specimen has hardly uttered a single phrase without grunting clearly coming through. As that Russian saying goes, a pig is a pig even in Africa (or America, as the case may be).

    Comment by Ivan — May 11, 2014 @ 12:24 am

  17. Russia wants war! Look how close they put their country to our military bases:

    http://socioecohistory.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/russia_wants_war_look_how_closely_they_put_country_to_our_military_bases.jpg

    Comment by vladislav — May 11, 2014 @ 1:54 am

  18. How can any Americans object to the US annexing Kosovo from Serbia if this allowed USA to turn it into America’s largest military base?!

    Comment by vladislav — May 11, 2014 @ 2:09 am

  19. Vladislav is a strange sort, a libertarian who slobbers all over an autocratic kleptomaniac like Putin.

    I wonder how many of his dissenting family he narked on back in the USSR?

    btw Vladislav, has it occurred to yourself that the reason the US has so many bases in countries around Russia is that those countries rightly fear Russian invasion, Russian led ethnic cleansing, Russian racism, Russian corruption, and Russian dictatorship and imperialism?

    Comment by Andrew — May 11, 2014 @ 3:22 am

  20. Another Great Russian chauvinist pig detected.

    Chauvinism is forcing your made up language down people’s throats.

    Comment by So? — May 11, 2014 @ 3:28 am

  21. vladislav retains the Soviet academic’s disdain for common language. Poroshenko speaks in the common language heard in present day Ukraine. I do not see anything wrong with it so long as children aren’t present. I guess preferring rough sincere language to “refined” insincere language makes me hopelessly crude.

    I can think of no person more inappropriate to judge by her language than Tymoshenko. She is the most sovok of politicians.

    But for either of these I can’t imagine anyone could make the case that Yanukovich would be the preferred President unless they were arguing from the basis of Russian nationalism.

    Comment by pahoben — May 11, 2014 @ 3:57 am

  22. Yanukovich was a Ukrainian nationalist, albeit a moderate one.

    Comment by So? — May 11, 2014 @ 4:38 am

  23. vladislav retains the Soviet academic’s disdain for common language. Poroshenko speaks in the common language heard in present day Ukraine. I do not see anything wrong with it so long as children aren’t present. I guess preferring rough sincere language to “refined” insincere language makes me hopelessly crude.

    Cсышь в глаза – божья роса. The junta can do no wrong. Russia can do no right.

    Comment by So? — May 11, 2014 @ 4:40 am

  24. @ So?

    “Chauvinism is forcing your made up language down people’s throats.”

    Russian-ruled Ukraine, 19th century. USSR, post-1920’s.

    Ironically some of the people who invented the Russian language would be considered Ukrainians today.

    Comment by AP — May 11, 2014 @ 6:25 am

  25. @ Vladislav

    I think the way Muscovites celebrated May 1st is no less disturbing than the videos you posted from western Ukraine:

    http://anton-shekhovtsov.blogspot.de/2014/05/nazis-and-stalinists-thrive-on-may-1-in.html

    Nice pictures, right?

    “Москалей на ножи”

    “Москаляку на гиляку”

    Sounds like Mandela’s ANC’s “one settler/one bullet.”

    Interesting how national liberation movements are so similar around the world. Tell me, do you miss apartheid, or Rhodesia? Or is it only okay if Russians ae the ones charge?

    Comment by AP — May 11, 2014 @ 6:29 am

  26. Tymoshenko is done, why waste time on her? At any rate, when she was politically active in Ukraine, the country was not as corrupt as it had been under Yanukovich.

    When Poroshenko stole the chocolate factory, it was not nearly as large as it became under his ownership. He turned it into a mass and profitable enterprise. In contrast, the guys who stole the eastern industries haven’t done much with them: they remain horribly inefficient and depend on Russian gas subsidies.

    Comment by AP — May 11, 2014 @ 6:34 am

  27. Oh yeah-a real dedicated nationalist that just had a problem with the native tongue, and the native laws, and independence from Russia. Other than that he was a real nationalist.

    Comment by pahoben — May 11, 2014 @ 9:10 am

  28. All Ukrainian nationalists have a problem with their “native” tongue.

    Comment by So? — May 11, 2014 @ 2:03 pm

  29. Ridiculous statement unless I mistake your meaning.

    Comment by pahoben — May 11, 2014 @ 2:41 pm

  30. Ukrainian dictionaries published in Ukraine include the entry Holodomir while Russian dictionaries published in Russia do not. Easy test.

    Comment by pahoben — May 11, 2014 @ 3:01 pm

  31. Sorry. To be more exact the entry present in Ukrainian and absent in Russian is холодомор. Even you will be able to quickly determine if it is the Ukrainian language or the Russian language. And don’t forget the public service posters in the Russian language at that time-Eating Your Children Is A Crime!!

    Comment by pahoben — May 11, 2014 @ 3:19 pm

  32. > Ukrainian dictionaries published in Ukraine include the entry Holodomir while Russian dictionaries published in Russia do not. Easy test.

    Genius, “Holodomir” isn’t a word in ANY language.

    > To be more exact the entry present in Ukrainian and absent in Russian is холодомор.

    Expert, the reason why you couldn’t find “холодомор” in any Russian dictionary because “холод” means “frost, freezing” and “mor” – “killing”. Indeed, there is no Russian term for “холодомор”, “freezing peasants to death”.

    Interestingly, there is no Ukrainian word “холодомор” either. Exactly for the same reason. So, you are lying when claiming that you found the word “холодомор” in Ukrainian dictionaries. The Russian and Ukrainian word for “Holodomor” is “Голодомор”. And there are plenty of mentions of “Голодомор” in Russian. For example:

    http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%80_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%A3%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B5
    Голодомор на Украине

    However, the real Russian term for “Holodomor” is “Голод в СССР”, i.e., the 1932-33 famine in the USSR, due to Stalin’s polices of collectivization and forced industrialization, that took the lives of approx. 7 million peasants in Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Russian Federation and Belarus.

    Comment by vladislav — May 11, 2014 @ 4:20 pm

  33. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1932%E2%80%9333

    Голод в СССР (1932—1933)

    Soviet famine of 1932–33

    For the same famine particularly in Ukraine, see Holodomor.

    Famine in USSR, 1933. Areas of most disastrous famine marked with black. A – grain-consuming regions, B – grain-producing regions. C – former land of Don, Kuban and Terek cossacks, C1 – former land of Ural and Orenburg cossacks. 1. Kola Peninsula, 2. Northern region, 3. Karelia, 4. Komi, 5. Leningrad Oblast, 6. Ivanovo Oblast, 7. Moscow Oblast, 8. Nizhny Novgorod region, 9. Western Oblast, 10. Byelorussia, 11. Central Black Earth Region, 12. Ukraine, 13. Central Volga region, 14. Tataria, 15. Bashkiria, 16. Ural region, 17. Lower Volga region, 18. North Caucasus Krai, 19. Georgia, 20. Azerbaijan, 21. Armenia.

    The Soviet famine of 1932–33 affected the major grain-producing areas of the Soviet Union, leading to the deaths of millions in those areas and severe food insecurity throughout the USSR. These areas included Ukraine, Northern Caucasus, Volga Region and Kazakhstan,[1] the South Urals, and West Siberia.[2][3] The subset of the famine within the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic is called Holodomor or “hungry mass-death.”

    Comment by vladislav — May 11, 2014 @ 4:27 pm

  34. “Expert, the reason why you couldn’t find “холодомор” in any Russian dictionary because “холод” means “frost, freezing” and “mor” – “killing”. Indeed, there is no Russian term for “холодомор”, “freezing peasants to death”.”

    Thank you but I know the root words but this word was born in Soviet horror and so isn’t subject to your etymological parsing.

    Thank also you for making my point so well. The only people who doubt the reality of this word are Russian nationalists.

    You are factually in error as set out below-

    “Holodomor” is now an entry in the modern, two-volume dictionary of the Ukrainian language, published in 2004. The term is described as “artificial hunger, organised on a vast scale by a criminal regime against a country’s population.”[39]

    Simply factually in error and your understanding of the underlying point seems to have passed over you.

    Comment by pahoben — May 12, 2014 @ 1:52 am

  35. Better to say-
    You failed to understand the underlying meaning and so make the point so well.

    Comment by pahoben — May 12, 2014 @ 2:05 am

  36. The above was in response to this statement-

    Genius, “Holodomir” isn’t a word in ANY language.

    It is factually wrong and so indicative.

    Comment by pahoben — May 12, 2014 @ 2:19 am

  37. > And I am sure you are shocked, but there is zero evidence that Russia has withdrawn troops from the border. Nato and the US deny they have observed any movement.

    The problem with NATO and the US authorities is that they are so engulfed in endless lies that they have no time to make sure that none of their own people expose these lies. To wit, what one of the biggest Russia-haters and warmongers Mike Rogers told Face the Nation today:

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/face-the-nation-transcripts-may-11-2014-rogers-gates-warren/

    Bob Schieffer: And joining us now, the chairman of the House Intelligence committee, Mike Rogers. Mr. Chairman, so far so good over there. No violence at least. But I want to ask you about this thing that happened last week where Putin said he was going to pull back his troops that were amassed along the border. Have you seen any indication that he’s done that?

    REP. MIKE ROGERS: Well, the only thing we’ve really seen, Bob, is that they’re pulling troops out

    Need I say more?

    Comment by vladislav — May 12, 2014 @ 4:18 am

  38. I> “Holodomir” isn’t a word in ANY language.

    pahoben> It is factually wrong and so indicative.

    Really? Give me an example of ANY language where the word “Holodomir” with an “i” is a word, oh spelling genius! The correct English word is “Holodomor”, oh brilliant reader/writer.

    pahoben> You failed to understand the underlying meaning and so make the point so well.

    What are you talking about, genius? let’s go to the videotape. You wrote:

    pahoben> To be more exact the entry present in Ukrainian and absent in Russian is холодомор.

    That is a total stupidity and/or lie. The word “холодомор” is NOT present in Ukrainian. There is no such word. The Ukrainian (and Russian) word is “голодомор”. Can you see the difference between the letter “х” and the letter “г”? So how can you expect to find a non-existent, misspelled (by you) word in any dictionary, Russian or Ukrainian? And why do you blame Russians for your incessant, incurable inability to read and spell words, genius?

    And why do all russophobes and other xenophobes suffer from severe mental challenges (“not that there is anything wrong with that” /Seinfeld/)?

    It is factually wrong and so indicative.

    Comment by vladislav — May 12, 2014 @ 4:55 am

  39. Ignore the last line.

    Comment by vladislav — May 12, 2014 @ 4:58 am

  40. >Oh yeah-a real dedicated nationalist that just had a problem with the native tongue

    What’s wrong with Yaqnukovich’s Russian tongue? It certainly is superior to Poroshenko’s use of their common native tongue: Russian. And how can you judge their Russian if you yourself don’t know the simplest words like “холод” (frost), “голод” (hunger), and “мор” (killing)?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Tongue

    Native Tongue(s) may refer to:

    – First language, the language a human being learns from birth

    > vladislav retains the Soviet academic’s disdain for common language. Poroshenko speaks in the common language heard in present day Ukraine.

    If the you think that “the common language heard in present day Ukraine” is gutter-Russian that translates as ““I fucking pay your motherfucking salaries and I motherfucking want you cunts to follow my motherfucking orders, shit”, then I pity your colleagues and neighbours who have the horror of listening to you speak. :-)

    > I guess preferring rough sincere language to “refined” insincere language makes me hopelessly crude.

    I think the real problem is that because you don’t understand Russian, you can’t judge how insultingly crude Poroshenko’s language is. I assure you that no normal person in Russia or Ukraine speaks such language. Only drunk hoodlums.

    Comment by vladislav — May 12, 2014 @ 5:12 am

  41. And keep in mind that this was not a drunk chatter in a bar. It was a business conversation that Poroshenko had with his subordinate, who is a respected journalist and who spoke to Poroshenko in proper, educated Russian without any 4 letter words. Do YOU talk to journalists and professors using almost exclusively 4-letter swear words?

    Comment by vladislav — May 12, 2014 @ 5:18 am

  42. Actually I do know the difference quite well and again your post suffers from factual inaccuracy.

    Comment by pahoben — May 12, 2014 @ 6:40 am

  43. > I assure you that no normal person in Russia or Ukraine speaks such language. Only drunk hoodlums

    which includes about 100% of Russian political and “biznes” “elites” . Even in public Putin uses criminal slang all the time. Who are you effin’ kiddin’?

    Comment by Ivan — May 12, 2014 @ 12:09 pm

  44. > Even in public Putin uses criminal slang all the time. Who are you effin’ kiddin’?

    OK, give it your best shot. Show me what you consider to be Putin’s worst instance of criminal slang, and we’ll see if it is anywhere close to Poroshenko’s. BTW, the issue is not “criminal slang”, but “mat”, the non-stop use of the dirtiest words that describe and denigrate sex organs and sex acts in a way that insults the listener.

    Comment by vladislav — May 12, 2014 @ 3:38 pm

  45. I listened to his conversation and didn’t feel insulted and so still another post that is factually inaccurate.

    Comment by pahoben — May 12, 2014 @ 11:20 pm

  46. > BTW, the issue is not “criminal slang”, but “mat”

    No, the issue is your attempt to misrepresent a sample of background noise as signal, and thus distract from real issues. Low cultural level is a common denominator among the Bolshevik thugs that rule Russia and Ukraine. But not all of them are psycho mass murderers like your boss Putin.

    Comment by Ivan — May 13, 2014 @ 12:24 am

  47. Vladislav misrepresenting something? Colour me surprised!!!!

    Comment by Andrew — May 13, 2014 @ 1:29 am

  48. “I think the real problem is that because you don’t understand Russian, you can’t judge how insultingly crude Poroshenko’s language is. I assure you that no normal person in Russia or Ukraine speaks such language. Only drunk hoodlums.

    My brother-in-law from Moscow, who never uses such words, was complaining when he visited a friend who had moved to Yaroslavl, because such language was quite common on the streets and in the buses of that city. The poor nephew was exposed to them all the time.

    I studied with a bunch of kids from new post-Soviet elite families and they used such words all the time. They used “bliad” (whore) as often as American teenage girls use “like”. The world of educated Muscovites such as yours or that of my in-laws is just a bubble, and it is disappearing.

    Note that there is no Ukrainian-language analogue to Russian mat. You won’t hear such language in Galicia. Ukrainian swearing involves scatalogical words such as “cholera yasna.”

    Comment by AP — May 13, 2014 @ 8:31 am

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