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November 26, 2011

Medvedev: Hysterical on Missile Defense

Filed under: Military,Politics,Russia — The Professor @ 11:06 am

The word “hysterical” has multiple meanings.  In the past couple of days, Dmitri Medvedev has personified a couple of them.  ”Hysterical” as in “hysterically funny”: the folk dancing display.  ”Hysterical” as in “unmanageable emotional excesses”: his shrieking about US missile defense plans.  To wit:

President Dmitry Medvedev said Russia was prepared to deploy Iskander missiles, which officials said have a range of up to 500 kilometers (310 miles), in the Kaliningrad exclave that borders EU members Poland and Lithuania.

Using rhetoric reminiscent of the Cold War, he said the weapons systemsmight also be deployed in the south – close to Russia’s foe Georgia and NATO member Turkey – and be used to eliminate the missile defense systems.

. . . .

If the West pressed ahead with the plans, “the Russian Federation will deploy in the west and the south of the country modern weapons systems that could be used to destroy the European component of the U.S. missile defense.”

“One of these steps could be the deployment of the Iskander missile systems in Kaliningrad,” Medvedev said in a televised address.

Medvedev ordered the Russian defence ministry to “immediately” put radar systems in Kaliningrad that warn of incoming missile attacks on a state of combat readiness.

He said that Russia’s ballistic missiles would be given the capacity to overcome missile defense systems, as well as “new highly effective warheads.”

. . . .

“If the situation does not develop well, then Russia reserves the right to halt further steps in disarmament and the corresponding weapons controls,” he said.

He also said the problem could lead to Russia quitting the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START) for nuclear arms cuts with the U.S. that Medvedev signed with President Barack Obama in April 2010.

This is actually just the latest in Medvedev’s hysterical outbursts: he gave pretty much the same speech several years ago, right down to the last jot and tittle.  Iskander yadda yadda Kaliningrad yadda yadda new warheads that can evade defenses blah blah.

Medvedev reflects Russian beliefs that the ABM systems to be deployed in eastern Europe (with a radar in Turkey) is aimed at Russia.  He claims international support for this view:

Appearing stern [LOL--Medvedev is well, hysterical, when he tries to act all butch and stuff] before a Russian flag on state-run television, Mr. Medvedev said Russia has long objected to the plans, declaring that officials in some countries openly say that “the whole system is against Russia.”

Some countries?  Like who?  Syria?  North Korea? South Ossetia?

Look.  US defense spending is sometimes wastefully stupid, but if the real objective of US ABM systems was to neuter Russia’s nuclear deterrent, this would be the most colossally stupid waste in history.  Interceptors based in Europe (including SM-3 systems aboard Aegis cruisers) would be not only woefully inadequate in terms of numbers, but completely misplaced to deal with a Russian nuclear strike.  They would be in a tail chase for missiles launched on a polar trajectory.  Far beyond their capability.  They would be useless against SLBMs, which is a focus of Putin’s fantastical profligacy in defense spending.

No, a less wasteful plan intended to defeat Russian ICBMs would focus on CONUS-based systems, and continuing to develop the Aegis/SM-3 systems, not on systems in eastern Europe.

Given that this is just a repeat hysterical outburst, one wonders about the timing.  The most straightforward explanation is that this is boobushka bait for the upcoming Duma elections, and the presidential “election” to follow.  Or that Putin wants a pre-text and rationalization for his desired military spend-a-palooza, and his sock puppet is delivering the message.  Coming from Barry’s burger buddy Dmitri, it is a clearer signal that this the more confrontational stance is uniformly endorsed by the entire elite.

It could also reflect a Russian calculation that US budgetary woes will constrain its military spending, and that some pressure applied at this time could lead to American retrenchment on an issue that obsesses Russia, and another American abandonment of eastern European countries that stuck their necks out for the US.  Especially at a time when the US has signaled that it’s military focus is shifting to Asia, and specifically China.

So, how’s that Reset working, BHO? Syria?  Iran?  And the Conventional Forces in Europe thing?:

The U.S. will no longer share data with Russia on conventional weapons, in what the State Department said was an expression of frustration over Russia’s refusal to comply with the data sharing and inspection provisions in the Conventional Armed Forces in Europe Treaty.

“The U.S. will not accept Russian inspections of our bases under the CFE and we will also not notify Russia of the annual data called for under the CFE and it’s our understanding that a number of NATO allies will do the same thing,” State Department spokesman Victoria Nuland said today.

The move comes after the failure of talks meant to revive the treaty that governs the placement and number of troops and conventional weapons. Russia stopped adhering to the CFE in 2007, refusing to accept inspections or provide information to the other 29 countries that are party to the treaty.

But of course, on the other side of the ledger there’s  . . . .  And, uh, . . . .  And what about, er.

Give me a minute.  I’m sure I’ll think of something.

Anybody want to participate in a pool as to when Putin next appears in military uniform?  He is definitely of the bad attention is better than no attention school of thought, and will no doubt attempt to exploit the chaotic world situation to attract as much attention as possible from his bête noire.

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  1. SWP, perhaps you can help me tease this out. While living in Russia, I had several forehead-slapping conversations with well-educated Russians who had been involved in defense-related industries before joining my company. They were against our missile defense strategy in the extreme. Their explanation was that the radar systems involved with the missile defense system were more of a threat than the actual missiles. The radar could track every square millimeter of European Russia and cause Russia to be quite vulnerable, as a result. Mix that together with the default paranoia inherent in Russian politics and culture, and you have a populace that will likely cheer Medvedev and Putin every time this issue comes up. (So yes, Medvedev just made a populist move)
    Despite my pleadings that the missile system had nothing to do with threatening Russia, I was met with a scolding smirk. Of course, they also pulled the “how would you like a Russian system planted near the U.S. border,” etc., etc. Well, despite the fact that there is absolutely no rogue missile threat on Russia from Canada or Jamaica and that they have no such system anyway, I couldn’t help think about this issue differently.
    Perhaps I was the classic casualty of the State Department phenomenon where living amongst the locals makes you sympathetic with them, but I still carry these thoughts within me. I suspect that Russia will always act this way whenever they lack parity with rival nations, i.e. this will be a permanent reality.

    Comment by Howard Roark — November 26, 2011 @ 12:13 pm

  2. Our dear Professor,

    Thank you for diverting attention to Russia at a time when Pakistan has closed the Torkham crossing and has demanded that the US vacate Shamsi Air Base, from whence Predators operate. Our assiduous servant Barack will be grateful.

    Comment by a — November 26, 2011 @ 1:06 pm

  3. Howard–I have no doubt it will be a permanent reality. Deep rooted historical paranoia plus rampaging resentment at the US (esp. from Putin and his ilk) plus an acute sense of vulnerability (based on a realistic recognition that Russian conventional military power is minimal and hence nukes are their only claim to superpower status) will make it so. But what is so self-defeating is the fact that an objective appraisal of what the Soviets liked to call the “correlation of forces” means that Russia cannot realistically achieve its great power ambitions, psychologically it cannot let them go. So there is this completely dysfunctional combination of nationalistic pugnacity and military decrepitude. They cannot reconcile themselves to the palpable lack of parity you identify, and that will cause trouble some day.

    a–The Pakistanis are going through one of their periodic hissy fits intended to demonstrate their autonomy. How many times has the border been “closed”? The same number of times it has been reopened. And they had a hissy right after the Bin Laden raid, and the CIA operative who killed two guys following him, and on and on and on. A combination of bribes and a quiet suggestion that we are past caring what the Indians do to them will get their minds right.

    The ProfessorComment by The Professor — November 26, 2011 @ 1:41 pm

  4. Yes, Professor, the Pakistanis do need to stop making a fuss about a few dead soldiers.

    Comment by a — November 26, 2011 @ 3:29 pm

  5. Professor, You’re right. Let’s keep sending all of our crap through Pakistan and watch it get blown up by angry Pashtuns fighting for the other side, and pay hundreds of millions in bribes for the privilege. Anything to avoid sending supplies to Afcrapistan via Russia and Uzbek-beki-beki-stan. Anything to avoid relying on those dastardly Russkies!

    “Given that this is just a repeat hysterical outburst, one wonders about the timing. The most straightforward explanation is that this is boobushka bait for the upcoming Duma elections, and the presidential “election” to follow.” Or maybe it has something to do with Mr. Nobel Peace Prize bombing/invading two countries since promising to take the troops out of Iraq and withdraw more from Afghanistan in 09′. I dunno, that would make me a little paranoid too.

    Comment by Mr. X — November 26, 2011 @ 3:33 pm

  6. How long Professor will you ignore the aggressive impulses of the real Evil Empire that has hijacked America and her military for its own nefarious, one-world government globalist ends?

    Comment by Mr. X — November 26, 2011 @ 3:38 pm

  7. Hell Professor, who do you think gave the Israelis that S-300 kill switch?

    But hey, there’s no Israeli-Russia defense and nano tech sharing. Nothing to see here folks, move right along. Because if we admitted Netanyahu was in bed with Putin, certain GOP presidential candidates heads would explode from the massive cognitive dissonance. Russia’s BAD BAD BAD and Israel is our BFF!

    After your comment that we should just keep bribing the duplicitous Pakistanis to keep our troops supplied in Afghanistan, I’m gonna have to invent a new term for you: Russia Derangement Syndrome. RDS = advocating a clearly insane policy just to spite those darn Kremlins. Other awesome RDS examples would be Max Boot advocating selling the latest Stinger MANPADs to the Georgian military after they’ve been caught harboring Islamist radicals and it’s been leaked to the Israeli press that they’ve allowed safe transit of said radicals from Iran via Georgia.

    I’m done posting here for awhile. Your AfPak comment Professor just takes the cake as the craziest or stupidest thing you’ve ever said.

    Comment by Mr. X — November 26, 2011 @ 3:45 pm

  8. > Hell Professor, who do you think gave the Israelis that S-300 kill switch?

    My guess would be it was a Mossad operative, who had traded it for a bottle of vodka some place north.

    Comment by Ivan — November 26, 2011 @ 5:04 pm

  9. All right, this is the frozen limit: first we have Medvedev dancing, and now we have a Russian Tourette syndrome shout off – I mean foreign policy speech. This site is becoming damn near unreadable within 1 hour of a meal or having a date.

    As regards to paranoia, saying a paranoia laced Russian foreign polity speech is like saying a cold block of dry ice: of course it is paranoid, because in being so it serves a number of purposes:

    Projection: the damn US is doing what we want to do – only can’t.

    Misdirection: don’t look at all the money we are stealing- those damn Americans are attacking Mother Russia!

    Delaying tactics: While contemplating the above a fresh shipment of methylated spirits, I mean vodka, is delivered to the besotted Narod.

    Medvedev – the rabid smurf in a Brioni suit – is hardly worth talking about. It could all be called crap intended to divert attention, except crap can be turned into fertilizer, and NOTHING this man says is useful – indeed it is usually poisonous. I think his cologne must be Eau de Chernobyl.

    Comment by Sotos — November 26, 2011 @ 5:23 pm

  10. Iraqi “WMD”s have set a bad precedent.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A

    Anyway, the current regime has surrendered everything and everyone, neglected everything in favour of self-enrichment through plunder of the Soviet inheritance. Now these Snow Nigerians are making threats they can’t back up!

    IMO, the best course of action would be to humiliate them publicly, rub it in, because abject failure on the foreign front is the best recipe for triggering political change. OTOH, maybe the Plush One was chosen to deliver the message to specifically set him up as the “weak one” – to underscore the lack of alternatives to The One Who Shall Not Be Named. S&M of the highest order. This shit can backfire, though.

    Comment by So? — November 26, 2011 @ 6:00 pm

  11. Good riddance, Mr.X!

    Comment by voroBey — November 26, 2011 @ 8:42 pm

  12. Imagine the “hissy fit” the US would throw if the Pakistanis were to kill 30 American soldiers.

    Comment by Sublime Oblivion — November 26, 2011 @ 10:17 pm

  13. … on US soil.

    Comment by Sublime Oblivion — November 26, 2011 @ 10:18 pm

  14. It’s a shame that in the 80s the SU and India did not have the balls to abolish Pakistan.

    Comment by So? — November 26, 2011 @ 10:34 pm

  15. It’s also a crying shame Emelienko didn’t test out those vaunted Putin judo skills. The crowd would have went wild and S/O would have struggled to put together a suitable spin. Something like his face turned just the right shade of blue to match his shirt and the crowd showed appreciation for his sartorial tastes.

    Zhririnovsky is in a great position now. He will have a sizable block of votes in the presidential election that will be willing to trade them in the backroom for a Putin super majority.

    A decisive action now in Syria has the potential to sort the geopolitical order far more than Iraq ever could.

    Comment by pahoben — November 26, 2011 @ 11:42 pm

  16. I V Zhirinovsky do hereby agree that half of the ballots showing my name were mistakes that were intended for V Putin. These should be entered into the count as V Putin.

    The stress of dealing with this huge lamentable error has taken a toll on my delicate emotions and so in turn I will be allowed to rape and pillage as I please for a period of not less than two years. I will also be a guest of first choice on talk shows ultimately funded by the Kremlin.

    Comment by pahoben — November 27, 2011 @ 12:04 am

  17. X is right. The one area of the world the US could count on 100% Putin support is Afghanistan and Pakistan. Those were historically sour grapes.

    Comment by pahoben — November 27, 2011 @ 12:10 am

  18. Mr. X, now your tinfoil conspiracy theories are getting more and more laughable with this gem Other awesome RDS examples would be Max Boot advocating selling the latest Stinger MANPADs to the Georgian military after they’ve been caught harboring Islamist radicals and it’s been leaked to the Israeli press that they’ve allowed safe transit of said radicals from Iran via Georgia.

    Georgia does not harbor Islamic radicals, however Russia does supply the Taliban, Al Qaida etc with the latest Russian anti-tank rockets etc…..

    Comment by Andrew — November 27, 2011 @ 2:14 am

  19. At Sublime retardation, the SU could not even deal with the Afghans, do you really think they wanted to extend into Pakistan as well? I mean look at what happened to the Russian Air Force when they tried to support “hot & heavy” raids into Pakistan to chase militants, they soon gave that up as a bad idea, as did the army.

    The Pakistanis had them for breakfast.

    And the Indians have no desire to occupy Pakistan either.

    Comment by Andrew — November 27, 2011 @ 2:24 am

  20. …however Russia does supply the Taliban, Al Qaida etc with the latest Russian anti-tank rockets etc…..
    Proof?

    I’m talking about flattening Islamabad, not pin-prick raids.

    Comment by So? — November 27, 2011 @ 2:47 am

  21. How would they do that So? Nuke it?

    The Russian Air Force of the time was incapable of dealing with the Pakistani Air Force as it was.
    As for driving an army group into Pakistan, not a good idea….

    Of course, given you are a supporter of ethnic cleansing…..

    Comment by Andrew — November 27, 2011 @ 2:51 am

  22. As for evidence, well Viktor Bout (whom the Russians were so keen to keep out of US hands…) was found guilty of supplying the latest Russian weapons to insurgents in Iraq, as well as intending to supply the latest Russian MANPAD’s to the FARC…..

    And then there is the fact that the insurgents in Iraq have/had huge numbers of RPG-29′s etc…..

    Comment by Andrew — November 27, 2011 @ 3:07 am

  23. PAF had a handful of F-16s. Nibbling at the edges of Afghanistan is one thing, fending of the whole Soviet AF is quite another, even if every Paki pilot was Erich Hartmann, which they weren’t. Heck, India could have flattened Pakistan all on its own. Alas, typical Cold War Soviet timidity and poor diplomacy didn’t allow it to happen.

    Comment by So? — November 27, 2011 @ 3:14 am

  24. Bout actually worked for the “Good Guys” in Iraq, and this is the thanks he gets. There were very few RPG-29s in Iraq. Rhetoric aside, Russia is servile to the West ie. white people after all.

    Comment by So? — November 27, 2011 @ 3:24 am

  25. And the Russians only had a handful of effective aircraft in the 1980′s by all accounts (most were junk), as for India flattening Pakistan all on their own, well their record is not that great especially given their massive superiority in numbers. Not to mention most Soviet/Russian pilots are pretty incompetent. Also if the Russians had transferred the whole Soviet AF to face Pakistan in the early 80′s, they would have simply had the collapse of their evil empire in eastern Europe all the sooner.

    Of course So? you often express a desire to flatten non Slavic cities, kind of proves the Slavic racist attitude really.

    And Russians are supposedly Eurasian not white, that’s the official line from the Kremlin after all…..

    Comment by Andrew — November 27, 2011 @ 8:20 am

  26. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the PLAAF shot down a few USAF aircraft that wondered across the border during the Vietnam War. Proves the Americans were no match for the mighty PLAAF. India beat Pakistan handily each and every time, but always held back in the end. They probably regret it now.

    That’s right, Russkies are snow negros with a massive inferiority complex before the real white people.

    Comment by So? — November 27, 2011 @ 2:47 pm

  27. “Georgia does not harbor Islamic radicals, however Russia does supply the Taliban, Al Qaida etc with the latest Russian anti-tank rockets etc…..”

    Here ya go Andrew, Soros is gonna have to up your pay in Tblisi:

    http://rt.com/politics/georgia-militant-training-camps/

    http://rt.com/news/fsb-georgia-al-qaeda/
    Georgia — Al-Qaeda — but I suppose they’re NATO approved ‘reformed’ Al-Qaeda like the ones that Herman Cain was actually right about seizing power in Libya

    Of course you’ll dismiss that as RT propaganda. Ok.

    Even the laughably anti-Russian Economist admits you guys are wide open for anyone who wants to come in from Iran:

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/easternapproaches/2010/11/georgia_geopolitics_and_iran
    Tsk tsk, don’t annoy your Anglo-American foreign aid doling overlords. Remember you live in a globalist Client State led by a Soros-owned Tie-Eating maniac.

    Comment by Mr. X — November 27, 2011 @ 3:41 pm

  28. As SWP says quoting Gomer Pyle, “Serprize, serprize” — the U.S. Senator co-sponsoring a bill to make every American a potential occupant of Gitmo has been a Soros funded, Misha-the-Tie-Eater war monger. Am I getting through to you people? Do you see the connection between endless war abroad and crushing dissent at home? These folks aren’t screwing around.

    http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/senators-demand-military-lock-american-citizens-battlefield-they-define-being

    Comment by Mr. X — November 27, 2011 @ 4:14 pm

  29. “As for evidence, well Viktor Bout (whom the Russians were so keen to keep out of US hands…) was found guilty of supplying the latest Russian weapons to insurgents in Iraq, as well as intending to supply the latest Russian MANPAD’s to the FARC…..”

    “Bout actually worked for the “Good Guys” in Iraq, and this is the thanks he gets.”

    So? is correct.

    Andrew, I’ve got in good authority that Bout did the bidding of both sides and like Senor Noriega got burned by the American siloviks he once worked with. I cannot and will not say online from where, but it was face to face from someone in the know who used to work for Air America back in the day. That is all.

    Comment by Mr. X — November 27, 2011 @ 8:26 pm

  30. And I don’t get this weird appreciation Andrew has for Pakistani, or Muslim fighting prowess more specifically. It must be part of the new political correctness in Georgia that all Muslim Caucasians are their blood brothers and the whole reason the Russian military came into Georgia in the first place to protect them from Persian and Turkish incursions is swept under the rug, along with Iosef Dzughashvili’s nationality. Maybe they should have put the Reagan statue next to the Stalin statue in Gory.

    I don’t advocate racism towards Georgians, Pashtuns, or any other ethnic group, though history shows the Pashtuns have a predilection for homosexuality and will go back to fighting non-Pashtuns and each other as soon as the infidels leave — whether Russian or American/NATO. Yes Pakistan shot down a couple of Soviet Air Force planes during the Soviet Afghan War — but only after Americans drew a map for them and gave them highly detailed intel on Soviet deployments, as with the most advanced muj groups of Dviaty Rota fame. Is that a massive sign of military prowess? Yes India has fought incompetently but I did talk to one veteran of the campaign up in the Himalayas who boasted about killing a lot of Chinese. The Indians wouldn’t be the first to have been beaten back by the Chinese human saturation tactics. Pakistan is another matter, they don’t have quite so many men to lose but more than enough to bleed any ‘foreign occupier’ of Afghanistan which is why Rummy was right not to put a heavy troop footprint in the damn place back in 2002. Anyone who says ‘that was the front line in the war on terror and Iraq was a distraction’ is spouting Democrat horsecrap, and anyone who thinks Bin Laden was anything other than a figurehead for the terrorists is an idiot. Both places where peripheral to the true heartland of the jihad which remains Saudi Arabia with Pakistan providing the cannon fodder. Iraq while also being misguided was at least closer to the jihadi Enemy heartland.

    Unfortunately there are so many globalzis in the U.S. government and security services who want to fornicate with the Saudis and use them and the Qataris to overthrow governments like Gaddafis and Assads and take sides in the Sunni/Shi’a Muslim conflict that one can no longer speak of an ‘American foreign policy’. There is only globalzi policy which our one-worlder overlords have hijacked the U.S. military and intel community into serving. It’s not ZOG, it’s NWO. If there were genuine American interests being served we’d be allying quietly with the Russians to check the Chinese, and encouraging them to pump oil flat out to help our economy recover and hurt the Saudis. Instead I see a pattern of constantly seeking to provoke Moscow with the types of ‘Plan Kavkaz’, 08/08/08, and other provocations we’ve seen — plus lavish funding for NGOs that keep low level servants like Andrew employed spouting propaganda.

    Comment by Mr. X — November 27, 2011 @ 9:34 pm

  31. Mr X, I know you have a sub human level of intelligence, but 08/08/08 was a result of Russian provocations against a much smaller neighbor, try reading the IFFMG report.

    Oh that’s right, you are too much of an indoctrinated tinfoil hat wearing retard to read….

    Comment by Andrew — November 27, 2011 @ 10:35 pm

  32. …but 08/08/08 was a result of Russian provocations against…

    Making progress there.

    Comment by So? — November 27, 2011 @ 10:57 pm

  33. IFFMG? Who is that? Try reading Der Spiegel sometime Andrew and don’t tell me it’s Jerry propaganda. Or hell, go ask Congressman Dana Rohrbacher, he’s got access to the House Intel Committee reports neither you nor SWP have. And stop praising an army that’s killing Americans and trashing the very real lethal armaments going via Russian Railways in favor of all the ones that get scattered blown to bits along the Khyber Pass. But hell, I guess I should go back and read dozens of posts from 09′ or something to get SWP’s honest opinion on that (or something) rather than keep pointing to his idiotic, spitefully Russophobic recent comment.

    Most of those spectacular Georgian contributions to the War on Terror you cite exist in Reny Harlin movies, I’m afraid, and that one was a knockoff of Olympus Inferno simply with the roles reversed and having a crazed Russian as opposed to Georgian army officer chasing the scared foreigners around South Ossetia.

    And where’s your rebuttal to The Economist tisk tisk on the I-ranians in Georgia, Andrew?

    I’ve never encountered any commenter who so finely encapsulated the worst of both Anglomaniac and globalist tendencies.

    Comment by Mr. X — November 28, 2011 @ 12:06 am

  34. And as for you Professor, you take Pakistani promises more seriously than Russian ones. The Russians haven’t been sending our kids home in boxes. Shame on you.

    Comment by Mr. X — November 28, 2011 @ 12:30 am

  35. The International Fact Finding Mission to Georgia Mr. X

    Obviously you know little about the conflict if you have not heard of it or read it.

    It excoriates the Russians for their actions describing all of them as illegal and unjustified, with no basis in international law.

    The Economist tisk-tisk? Guess you did not read that either, one of my friends here in Georgia is the US officer assisting the Georgians with border security issues, neither he nor the US Embassy in general have any problem with the visa free travel regime implemented by the Georgians vis-a-vis Iranian nationals, as there are plenty of safeguards, including information sharing and stop lists for known militant suspects.

    As for Georgian contributions being negligible, more retarded BS from a know nothing idiot.

    The Georgians in Iraq were highly commended for their work on the Iran-Iraq border by their US compatriots, and the Georgians serving in Afghanistan are serving with the US Marines in Helmand province, without caveats, in the thick of the fighting. They would not be deployed there unless the USMC believed they were up to the task.

    The USMC training teams deploy with those they have trained and state they are very good troops who are putting in the hard yards.

    http://blogs.state.gov/index.php/site/entry/clinton_georgia_partnership_charter
    http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/opinions_80622.htm

    After training in Georgia, each Afghanistan-bound Georgian battalion completes the cycle with a mission
    rehearsal exercise in Hohenfels, Germany. In an environment in which all politics must be laid aside, the
    US Marine Corps takes responsibility to certify that the Georgian unit is deployment ready. You can bet that
    the Marines undertake this task very seriously—if they are wrong, Marines could die.
    In training and in real wartime experience in Afghanistan, the Marines have come to respect their Georgian
    allies—and Marines are not people to give idle praise.
    “These guys are in the fight, they want to fight and they want us to teach them how to fight, which is the
    beauty of it,” Major Andrew Del Gaudio, then top Marine trainer in Georgia, said in the April 6 edition of
    another publication, the Marine Corps Times.
    “They’re really good troops,” Major General Richard Mills, former Marine commander in Afghanistan, told
    the Marine Corps Times. “Their officers tend to lead from the front and tend to expose themselves often to
    danger. They’ve taken some casualties, and yet they have remained focused and remained on task and
    bounced back very, very quickly.”
    General Mills could have been referring to 1Lt Shukvani.
    “They are not afraid to fight and they know their tactics,” said Carlton Kent the Sergeant Major of the
    Marine Corps. “They’re side by side with us over there, and the Marines who are over there with them say
    positive things about them. They are sacrificing just like everyone else. They are pulling their load.”
    That is big stuff coming from the top Marine sergeant!

    http://www.gfsis.org/media/download/GSAC/Articles/These_Guys_Are_in_the_Fight.pdf

    Of course, nobody expects a gutless little coward like yourself to understand Mr.X

    Comment by Andrew — November 28, 2011 @ 3:23 am

  36. Oh here is another quote from a General of the US Marines:

    U.S. Marine Corps General Richard Mills, a former commander of coalition forces in south-west Afghanistan, praised Georgian troops serving in the coalition forces for “absolutely superb work.”
    Speaking with journalists in Washington on April 27, Gen. Mills, who oversaw operations in the Afghan Helmand and Nimruz provinces from April 2010 until earlier this month, gave some details of assignments undertaken by the Georgian forces under his commend.
    Two Georgian battalions – 31st and 32nd from the 3rd infantry brigade – were serving in Afghanistan under Mills’ command. Georgia started rotating its 32nd battalion with the 33rd battalion earlier this month.
    “Each of them [31st and 32nd battalions] was magnificent unit. They were characterized by extraordinary professional performance,” Gen. Mills said after he was asked to comment on the Georgian troops’ performance in Afghanistan.
    “They were so impressive in fact, that I assigned them a battle space of their own – a large area to west of Helmand province, where they operated in partnership with the Afghan forces to do full spectrum of operations near the city of Delaram [in Nimruz province],” he said.
    “Georgians like to fight, they are professional soldiers, who understand what their tasks are and they are more than willing to carry them out. As a matter of fact they asked if they could be given even more duties and so one of their companies was sent to help out in place called Sangin … where a rather significant battle is being fought and again they did a magnificent job up there,” Gen. Mills said.
    Sangin district in the Helmand province is regarded to be an important transit route for weapons, drugs and militants.
    Gen. Mills said in Sangin the Georgian company was given “a tough” tasks against “a very determined enemy.”
    “They [the Georgian unit] came out successful in every encounter; so I was extraordinary impressed,” he said.

    http://www.civil.ge/eng/article.php?id=23387

    Comment by Andrew — November 28, 2011 @ 3:45 am

  37. Figures your best buddies are American siloviks.

    “The Economist tisk-tisk? Guess you did not read that either, one of my friends here in Georgia is the US officer assisting the Georgians with border security issues, neither he nor the US Embassy in general have any problem with the visa free travel regime implemented by the Georgians vis-a-vis Iranian nationals” No, but the Israelis might have a problem with it.

    Comment by Mr. X — November 28, 2011 @ 1:23 pm

  38. Ah Mr.X, how does it feel to always lose an argument?

    As you have frequently pointed out, if Israel has a problem with something, so does the US……..

    Comment by Andrew — November 28, 2011 @ 9:54 pm

  39. Andrew, I could never lose an argument to an apologist for a tie-eating maniac and drug addict who was groomed to turn his country into a globalzi client state from his days at Columbia. In fact, I’ve run circles around you this entire thread, therefore you result to childish insults, when I merely suggest that your livelihood may depend on continued massive Anglo-American taxpayer support for the Saakashvili regime.

    You lost on facts above — one two three boom boom boom — 1) the Polish report says American planes did go through Russian air space after 9/11 2) The film you linked to has absolutely nothing to with the Lada-grenade launching clip from 08/08/08, and it’s clear the Russian documentary you link to was produced in response to 08/08/08 afterward 3) Israeli media has reported on the visa free travel regime for Iranians in Georgia and Misha the Tie Eater’s cozying up to an increasingly Islamist Turkish government. Not coincidentally, this took place AFTER the Israelis pulled their advisors the hell out of Georgia and started selling UAVs to the Russian side instead.

    4th, Phobie away after the breathtaking Russian hack against the central water works in a small Illinois town turned out to be made up by an overly ambitious or mendacious Homeland Security spokesperson. But then again, she always scuttles away whenever the names Prokofy Neva, Fitzpatrick or Jamestown Foundation come up.

    And praise from some Marines for PR consumption notwithstanding, this present, client state Georgian army did not fight that well in 2008. If they fell back from Tskinval due to a cease fire (and there’s no evidence to support this assertion, not even from the books sympathetic to Georgia written after the fact), then they did so under U.S. pressure, which only underscores Georgia’s total dependency on the U.S. taxpayer for perhaps 25% of its budget. And this dependency is apparently more important than Saakshvili’s loud proclamation that S.O. and Abkhazia are allegedly sacred territories that must be reclaimed at all costs. Good luck with that Misha…

    The 200,000 Georgians who fought and died in WWII fought much better (including the ones who fought to save what is today Russian territory from Nazi occupation), and I would never denigrate their sacrifices or their ancient Orthodox Christian nation or their Patriarch.

    I simply don’t like globalist client states. I don’t like countries hailed as allies by brainwashed, endless war advocating Republican MIC whores when they’re actually actually client states and liabilities, like the military junta of Argentina was in the 1980s when it attacked the Falklands. I don’t trust Soros, and I think he poisons everything he touches, including Georgia, and I think he ripped off the U.S. intelligence community for everything they were worth to make his spectacular bets on the pound, the bhat, and the ruble. In return, he gave them a mess of sorry ass Orange and Rose Revolutions. In effect, just as is commonly alleged about the Russian security services, I believe the American ones are serving private, offshore interests and have been thoroughly corrupted.

    I think you are constantly apologizing for these elements not because you’re married to a Georgian or some other mundane reason, but because you work for one of those globalzi NGOs that makes the world safe for Corporatism.

    Comment by Mr. X — November 28, 2011 @ 10:35 pm

  40. > Ah Mr.X, how does it feel to always lose an argument?

    Andrew, don’t be naive: he is about as much worried about it as is the Ostankino TV tower.

    Comment by Ivan — November 29, 2011 @ 1:32 am

  41. Run circles around me?

    Nope, only in your diseased imagination Mr.X, as another esteemed poster here said, hurry back to your boyfriend Mr.Jones and his infowars site.

    The US Aircraft that struck Afghanistan flew from Diego Garcia and passed over Pakistan, not Russia, and I have not found any source that says otherwise.

    Russian lessons by Neksarov was filmed during and shortly after the war, you should try watching it, though you may be too retarded to understand as it is not lowbrow, highly faked Russian state propaganda. If you watch the film you might actually learn something.

    You frequently denigrate Georgians, and their culture Mr.X, and since you obviously know little about either, you are even more contemptible for doing so. If you don’t like client states, how do you explain your flag waving for the mass murdering, ethnic cleansing separatist regimes of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. You do realize the previous regime of Chibirov in South Ossetia was rolled in a coup organised by Russia just as they were coming to an agreement with Georgia about autonomy within a federal Georgia don’t you? In fact the defense minister of that administration was Dmitry Sanakoyev, an Ossetian who became head of the pro Georgian areas of South Ossetia prior to the war, the villages in those areas now no longer exist as the Russian army bulldozed them.

    As to why the Georgians wish to hang on to these areas, well maybe things like the 4thC Georgian churches in Abkhazia, the fact that both areas are traditionally part of Georgia and have had large (usually majority) Georgian populations for millenia. Ethnic cleansing by an imperial power like Russia in the late 20th and early 21st century should not be rewarded.

    Comment by Andrew — November 29, 2011 @ 12:54 pm

  42. It is interesting that Putin/Medvedev are stationing missiles in Kaliningrad to threaten a system that will now be built in Turkey, seems Geography is not their strong point….

    Comment by Andrew — November 30, 2011 @ 5:56 am

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