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		<title>By: mossy</title>
		<link>http://streetwiseprofessor.com/?p=3002&#038;cpage=1#comment-71557</link>
		<dc:creator>mossy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 17:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I don&#039;t know it&#039;s nonsense. Maybe we have different definitions of cult of personality. I think it&#039;s a cult of personality when there are official half-naked pix of the guy, when his appearance on TV is almost always scripted but presented as off-the-cuff, when he doesn&#039;t appear on TV whenever there is a major disaster, when the state, state-controlled, and state-proxy-controlled press never criticizes him in any way -- when people are presented with a image of a virtually infallible human being. There are also photos of him everywhere (now sometimes with Medvedev). I&#039;d say that was a holdover from the Soviet period, except that Yeltsin wasn&#039;t in every bureaucrat&#039;s office like these guys are. It&#039;s a lot closer to Turkmenbashi than it is to any Western leader, even in countries with state-owned media and sophisticated PR machines. 

It&#039;s PR when you present your guy in the best light possible. In most countries, there are other PR guys tearing your guy down. If your PR guys are really good -- or if the other guy&#039;s PR machine is really bad -- and/or if your position or image is truly attractive, your spin goes over.

That&#039;s not what&#039;s happening over here. Here they control the image totally on TV, which is the main source of info for about 97% of the population and in a number of other media as well. That&#039;s not PR. It&#039;s the creation of a cult of personality. Wanna call it a soft cult of personality? Ask the guy who got a jail sentence for writing an article about Putin as the national phallic symbol if he&#039;d agree with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I don&#8217;t know it&#8217;s nonsense. Maybe we have different definitions of cult of personality. I think it&#8217;s a cult of personality when there are official half-naked pix of the guy, when his appearance on TV is almost always scripted but presented as off-the-cuff, when he doesn&#8217;t appear on TV whenever there is a major disaster, when the state, state-controlled, and state-proxy-controlled press never criticizes him in any way &#8212; when people are presented with a image of a virtually infallible human being. There are also photos of him everywhere (now sometimes with Medvedev). I&#8217;d say that was a holdover from the Soviet period, except that Yeltsin wasn&#8217;t in every bureaucrat&#8217;s office like these guys are. It&#8217;s a lot closer to Turkmenbashi than it is to any Western leader, even in countries with state-owned media and sophisticated PR machines. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s PR when you present your guy in the best light possible. In most countries, there are other PR guys tearing your guy down. If your PR guys are really good &#8212; or if the other guy&#8217;s PR machine is really bad &#8212; and/or if your position or image is truly attractive, your spin goes over.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not what&#8217;s happening over here. Here they control the image totally on TV, which is the main source of info for about 97% of the population and in a number of other media as well. That&#8217;s not PR. It&#8217;s the creation of a cult of personality. Wanna call it a soft cult of personality? Ask the guy who got a jail sentence for writing an article about Putin as the national phallic symbol if he&#8217;d agree with you.</p>
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		<title>By: rkka</title>
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		<dc:creator>rkka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 10:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;That assumes that Hitler and Stalin are morally equivalent, which I adamantly believe they are not.&quot;

Now, SO, you should acknowledge that this position does represent progress.  At the time, among Western governments and Western economics-concerned types, Hitler was thought better of than Stalin, hence the numerous, enthusiastic followers of Neville &quot;Germany and England as two pillars of European peace and buttresses against Communism&quot; Chamberlain, and the utterly crushing majority this policy commanded even after the Germans moved on Prague.  In the end, it took Hitler agreeing to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact to finally convince this sort that Hitler was at least as bad.  SWP et. al. and the rest of these Western Russophobe types delude themselves that they would be in the tiny minority around Churchill that was willing to do a deal with Stalin against Hitler.  

Not a chance...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That assumes that Hitler and Stalin are morally equivalent, which I adamantly believe they are not.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now, SO, you should acknowledge that this position does represent progress.  At the time, among Western governments and Western economics-concerned types, Hitler was thought better of than Stalin, hence the numerous, enthusiastic followers of Neville &#8220;Germany and England as two pillars of European peace and buttresses against Communism&#8221; Chamberlain, and the utterly crushing majority this policy commanded even after the Germans moved on Prague.  In the end, it took Hitler agreeing to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact to finally convince this sort that Hitler was at least as bad.  SWP et. al. and the rest of these Western Russophobe types delude themselves that they would be in the tiny minority around Churchill that was willing to do a deal with Stalin against Hitler.  </p>
<p>Not a chance&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sublime Oblivion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sublime Oblivion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 10:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is frankly nonsense, mossy, and I think you know it. That&#039;s effective PR management, not cult of personality. You&#039;d be better off looking to the (late) Turkmenbashi or the Dear Leader for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is frankly nonsense, mossy, and I think you know it. That&#8217;s effective PR management, not cult of personality. You&#8217;d be better off looking to the (late) Turkmenbashi or the Dear Leader for that.</p>
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		<title>By: So?</title>
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		<dc:creator>So?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 07:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL, I noticed the disappearing act years ago, and the &quot;bad gummint, good Pres (now PM)&quot; ratings.  That&#039;s why I trust Levada polls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL, I noticed the disappearing act years ago, and the &#8220;bad gummint, good Pres (now PM)&#8221; ratings.  That&#8217;s why I trust Levada polls.</p>
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		<title>By: mossy</title>
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		<dc:creator>mossy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 07:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Some fans are creating a personality cult around Putin. Not Putin himself.&quot;
This made me laugh out loud. SO, you&#039;ve apparently never seen the pix of Mr P with naked chest riding horses in the mountains and fly-fishing. Or flying fighter planes. Or petting baby tigers. Or in scripted meetings rattling off numbers and yelling at bad bureaucrats. Those were all candid pix that he didn&#039;t want published? 

The pr machine has done everything in their power to create a cult of Mr P. That&#039;s why he disappears from the screen every time there is a terrorist attack or tragedy -- so people won&#039;t associate him with it, or remember that &quot;power vertical&quot; that was supposed to make him in control of everything that happens under him and therefore responsible for it. It&#039;s also why opinion polls nearly always show great discontent with everything going on in the country, but great approval for Mr P and, to a lesser extent, Mr M.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Some fans are creating a personality cult around Putin. Not Putin himself.&#8221;<br />
This made me laugh out loud. SO, you&#8217;ve apparently never seen the pix of Mr P with naked chest riding horses in the mountains and fly-fishing. Or flying fighter planes. Or petting baby tigers. Or in scripted meetings rattling off numbers and yelling at bad bureaucrats. Those were all candid pix that he didn&#8217;t want published? </p>
<p>The pr machine has done everything in their power to create a cult of Mr P. That&#8217;s why he disappears from the screen every time there is a terrorist attack or tragedy &#8212; so people won&#8217;t associate him with it, or remember that &#8220;power vertical&#8221; that was supposed to make him in control of everything that happens under him and therefore responsible for it. It&#8217;s also why opinion polls nearly always show great discontent with everything going on in the country, but great approval for Mr P and, to a lesser extent, Mr M.</p>
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		<title>By: Sublime Oblivion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sublime Oblivion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 03:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Asehpe,

&lt;blockquote&gt;Thatâ€™s a non-sequitur. And also consider Russiaâ€™s rhetorics. Besides, the point was the intensity: Russia should be hypocritical to the extent that its industries are less important and less influentian in the world.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

How is that a non-sequitur? Eye for an eye and all that.

&lt;blockquote&gt;You saying this in the abstract marks you as a closet authoritarian as well, Oblivion. Have a look at what Putin says in his on-the-other-hand things, and see what you think. After all, why not do the same to Hitler? He created the Autobahn, Macht durch Freude campaigns, and promoted Wagnerâ€™s music. And he was a vegetarian non-smoker.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That assumes that Hitler and Stalin are morally equivalent, which I adamantly believe they are not.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The point being: the bad things Stalin did are so disproportionately huge (just look at the number of pre-WWII victims) that any good sides cannot excuse it. It would be like claiming that slavery had a good side: Black Africans got to travel throughout the world.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I beg to differ. Saving Slavdom from Nazi genocide (and yes, it was a genocide) washes out his other sins, furthermore, some of which may have been necessary evils to accomplish the former.

The case of black slavery is entirely different because the motivations were entirely different, profit and prestige vs. survival of one&#039;s people.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Considering the photographs he keeps posing to, do you really think heâ€™s not trying to contribute? Or, to put it another way, what has he done against that?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Why should he do anything against that?? No rational politician (public figure, rock star, etc) bothers suppressing those who fervently support and idolize them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Asehpe,</p>
<blockquote><p>Thatâ€™s a non-sequitur. And also consider Russiaâ€™s rhetorics. Besides, the point was the intensity: Russia should be hypocritical to the extent that its industries are less important and less influentian in the world.</p></blockquote>
<p>How is that a non-sequitur? Eye for an eye and all that.</p>
<blockquote><p>You saying this in the abstract marks you as a closet authoritarian as well, Oblivion. Have a look at what Putin says in his on-the-other-hand things, and see what you think. After all, why not do the same to Hitler? He created the Autobahn, Macht durch Freude campaigns, and promoted Wagnerâ€™s music. And he was a vegetarian non-smoker.</p></blockquote>
<p>That assumes that Hitler and Stalin are morally equivalent, which I adamantly believe they are not.</p>
<blockquote><p>The point being: the bad things Stalin did are so disproportionately huge (just look at the number of pre-WWII victims) that any good sides cannot excuse it. It would be like claiming that slavery had a good side: Black Africans got to travel throughout the world.</p></blockquote>
<p>I beg to differ. Saving Slavdom from Nazi genocide (and yes, it was a genocide) washes out his other sins, furthermore, some of which may have been necessary evils to accomplish the former.</p>
<p>The case of black slavery is entirely different because the motivations were entirely different, profit and prestige vs. survival of one&#8217;s people.</p>
<blockquote><p>Considering the photographs he keeps posing to, do you really think heâ€™s not trying to contribute? Or, to put it another way, what has he done against that?</p></blockquote>
<p>Why should he do anything against that?? No rational politician (public figure, rock star, etc) bothers suppressing those who fervently support and idolize them.</p>
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		<title>By: So?</title>
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		<dc:creator>So?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 01:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The point being: the bad things Stalin did are so disproportionately huge (just look at the number of pre-WWII victims) that any good sides cannot excuse it.&lt;/i&gt; 
What victims?  What were the alternatives to Stalin&#039;s policies?  
&lt;i&gt;It would be like claiming that slavery had a good side: Black Africans got to travel throughout the world.&lt;/i&gt;
Defeating Germany had the terribly effect of denying Russians access to delicious German beer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The point being: the bad things Stalin did are so disproportionately huge (just look at the number of pre-WWII victims) that any good sides cannot excuse it.</i><br />
What victims?  What were the alternatives to Stalin&#8217;s policies?<br />
<i>It would be like claiming that slavery had a good side: Black Africans got to travel throughout the world.</i><br />
Defeating Germany had the terribly effect of denying Russians access to delicious German beer.</p>
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		<title>By: So?</title>
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		<dc:creator>So?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 01:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Test (please delete)&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Test (please delete)</i></p>
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		<title>By: The Professor</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Professor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 23:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saved me the effort, Asehpe. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saved me the effort, Asehpe. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Asehpe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Asehpe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sublime Oblivion,

&lt;i&gt;If other nations are hypocrites, then Russia too has a right to be hypocritical in return. Especially considering that its industries are less competitive.&lt;/i&gt;
That&#039;s a non-sequitur. And also consider Russia&#039;s rhetorics. Besides, the point was the intensity: Russia should be hypocritical to the extent that its industries are less important and less influentian in the world.

&lt;i&gt;What is wrong with a balanced evaluation of history? Again, your wish to push down a singular interpretation of history reveals you as a closet authoritarian.&lt;/i&gt;
You saying this in the abstract marks you as a closet authoritarian as well, Oblivion. Have a look at what Putin says in his on-the-other-hand things, and see what you think. After all, why not do the same to Hitler? He created the Autobahn, &lt;i&gt;Macht durch Freude&lt;/i&gt; campaigns, and promoted Wagner&#039;s music. And he was a vegetarian non-smoker.

The point being: the bad things Stalin did are so disproportionately huge (just look at the number of pre-WWII victims) that any good sides cannot excuse it. It would be like claiming that slavery had a good side: Black Africans got to travel throughout the world.

&lt;i&gt;Some fans are creating a personality cult around Putin. Not Putin himself.&lt;/i&gt;
Considering the photographs he keeps posing to, do you really think he&#039;s not trying to contribute? Or, to put it another way, what has he done against that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sublime Oblivion,</p>
<p><i>If other nations are hypocrites, then Russia too has a right to be hypocritical in return. Especially considering that its industries are less competitive.</i><br />
That&#8217;s a non-sequitur. And also consider Russia&#8217;s rhetorics. Besides, the point was the intensity: Russia should be hypocritical to the extent that its industries are less important and less influentian in the world.</p>
<p><i>What is wrong with a balanced evaluation of history? Again, your wish to push down a singular interpretation of history reveals you as a closet authoritarian.</i><br />
You saying this in the abstract marks you as a closet authoritarian as well, Oblivion. Have a look at what Putin says in his on-the-other-hand things, and see what you think. After all, why not do the same to Hitler? He created the Autobahn, <i>Macht durch Freude</i> campaigns, and promoted Wagner&#8217;s music. And he was a vegetarian non-smoker.</p>
<p>The point being: the bad things Stalin did are so disproportionately huge (just look at the number of pre-WWII victims) that any good sides cannot excuse it. It would be like claiming that slavery had a good side: Black Africans got to travel throughout the world.</p>
<p><i>Some fans are creating a personality cult around Putin. Not Putin himself.</i><br />
Considering the photographs he keeps posing to, do you really think he&#8217;s not trying to contribute? Or, to put it another way, what has he done against that?</p>
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