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	<title>Comments on: A Slavophile Moment</title>
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		<title>By: Armageddon &#124; Sublime Oblivion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Armageddon &#124; Sublime Oblivion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 10:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] commentators like SWP and the writer herself attribute this to &#8220;(a) fallaciousÂ post hoc ergo propter hoc reasoning [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Michel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 00:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the other extreme view? The belief that Ukraine is an independent state? What exactly are the resources that will be looted?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the other extreme view? The belief that Ukraine is an independent state? What exactly are the resources that will be looted?</p>
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		<title>By: Da Russophile</title>
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		<dc:creator>Da Russophile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 00:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or perhaps it is a reaction to the other extreme view which seeks to use historical revisionism to provoke conflict between historically close and friendly peoples so as to divide them and more effectively loot their resources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or perhaps it is a reaction to the other extreme view which seeks to use historical revisionism to provoke conflict between historically close and friendly peoples so as to divide them and more effectively loot their resources.</p>
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		<title>By: Michel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 14:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why? Quite simple. Typically Great Russian Chauvinists deny the existence of separate nationhood for Ukrainians. They see them as misguided Russians speaking a regional dialect that should be &quot;corrected.&quot; When you write: &quot;Making fun of Ukrainians does not imply a large degree of â€œseparatenessâ€, since there are plenty of examples of such within other nations. Italy would make a good example, with the northerners viewing the south as lazy and criminalized, and the southerners viewing the north as arrogant and aloof.&quot; What you are in effect saying is that the differences between Russians and Ukrainians is not greater than northern Italians from southern Italians, and by extension, the two should be part of the same country. This is what you are also arguing for in another thread: you believe that there is a &quot;silent majority&quot; of Ukrainians who want to be part of a Greater Russian Empire. In other words, you have a very typical agenda of Great Russian chauvinists: political integration of Ukraine and Belarus into Russia and then fusing them into one larger Russian nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why? Quite simple. Typically Great Russian Chauvinists deny the existence of separate nationhood for Ukrainians. They see them as misguided Russians speaking a regional dialect that should be &#8220;corrected.&#8221; When you write: &#8220;Making fun of Ukrainians does not imply a large degree of â€œseparatenessâ€, since there are plenty of examples of such within other nations. Italy would make a good example, with the northerners viewing the south as lazy and criminalized, and the southerners viewing the north as arrogant and aloof.&#8221; What you are in effect saying is that the differences between Russians and Ukrainians is not greater than northern Italians from southern Italians, and by extension, the two should be part of the same country. This is what you are also arguing for in another thread: you believe that there is a &#8220;silent majority&#8221; of Ukrainians who want to be part of a Greater Russian Empire. In other words, you have a very typical agenda of Great Russian chauvinists: political integration of Ukraine and Belarus into Russia and then fusing them into one larger Russian nation.</p>
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		<title>By: Da Russophile</title>
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		<dc:creator>Da Russophile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 07:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is it Great Russian chauvinism to point out that a distinctive Ukrainian national identity has historically been weak (and next to non-existent before the late nineteenth century), was typically associated with Russia and that today only a minority of about 20% want to reject its traditional Eurasian identity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is it Great Russian chauvinism to point out that a distinctive Ukrainian national identity has historically been weak (and next to non-existent before the late nineteenth century), was typically associated with Russia and that today only a minority of about 20% want to reject its traditional Eurasian identity?</p>
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		<title>By: Michel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 05:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Da Russophile, I have finally figured you out. You are a Great Russian Chauvinist :) What you did in your post was deny the existence of Ukrainians as a distinct nation and it also explains your insistence that the &quot;silent majority&quot; in Ukraine wants to be part of a Russian &quot;empire.&quot; Ð’ÑÑ‘ Ð¿Ð¾Ð½ÑÑ‚Ð½Ð¾ Ñ Ð’Ð°Ð¼Ð¸!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Da Russophile, I have finally figured you out. You are a Great Russian Chauvinist <img src='http://streetwiseprofessor.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  What you did in your post was deny the existence of Ukrainians as a distinct nation and it also explains your insistence that the &#8220;silent majority&#8221; in Ukraine wants to be part of a Russian &#8220;empire.&#8221; Ð’ÑÑ‘ Ð¿Ð¾Ð½ÑÑ‚Ð½Ð¾ Ñ Ð’Ð°Ð¼Ð¸!</p>
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		<title>By: Michel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 04:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Da Russophile writes: &quot;Making fun of Ukrainians does not imply a large degree of â€œseparatenessâ€, since there are plenty of examples of such within other nations. Italy would make a good example, with the northerners viewing the south as lazy and criminalized, and the southerners viewing the north as arrogant and aloof.&quot;

Yes, but they don&#039;t call them French or Spanish or German. I.e. they do not use different national terms for them. Here are a few of the examples of how the sayings Dahl collected characterize Russians and distinguish them from other nationalities:

Ð§Ñƒ! â€” Ð·Ð´ÐµÑÑŒ Ñ€ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¼ Ð´ÑƒÑ…Ð¾Ð¼ Ð¿Ð°Ñ…Ð½ÐµÑ‚.
Ð ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¹ Ð±Ð¾Ð³ Ð²ÐµÐ»Ð¸Ðº. Ð ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¼ Ð±Ð¾Ð³Ð¾Ð¼ Ð´Ð° Ñ€ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¼ Ñ†Ð°Ñ€ÐµÐ¼ ÑÐ²ÑÑ‚Ð¾Ñ€ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ°Ñ Ð·ÐµÐ¼Ð»Ñ ÑÑ‚Ð¾Ð¸#Ñ‚.
Ð ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¹ Ð½Ð°Ñ€Ð¾Ð´ â€” Ñ†Ð°Ñ€ÐµÐ»ÑŽÐ±Ð¸Ð²Ñ‹Ð¹.
Ð—ÐµÐ¼Ð»Ñ Ñ€ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ°Ñ Ð²ÑÑ Ð¿Ð¾Ð´ Ð±Ð¾Ð³Ð¾Ð¼.
Ð’ÐµÐ»Ð¸ÐºÐ° ÑÐ²ÑÑ‚Ð¾Ñ€ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ°Ñ Ð·ÐµÐ¼Ð»Ñ, Ð° Ð²ÐµÐ·Ð´Ðµ ÑÐ¾Ð»Ð½Ñ‹ÑˆÐºÐ¾.
Ð’ÐµÐ»Ð¸ÐºÐ° ÑÐ²ÑÑ‚Ð¾Ñ€ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ°Ñ Ð·ÐµÐ¼Ð»Ñ, Ð° Ð¿Ñ€Ð°Ð²Ð´Ðµ Ð½Ð¸Ð³Ð´Ðµ Ð½ÐµÑ‚ Ð¼ÐµÑÑ‚Ð°.
Ð Ð¾ÑÑÐ¸Ð¸ Ð¸ Ð»ÐµÑ‚Ñƒ ÑÐ¾ÑŽÐ·Ð° Ð½ÐµÑ‚Ñƒ. Ð ÑƒÑÑŒ Ð¿Ð¾Ð´ ÑÐ½ÐµÐ³Ð¾Ð¼ Ð·Ð°ÐºÐ¾Ñ‡ÐµÐ½ÐµÐ»Ð°.
Ð›ÐµÑ‚Ð¸Ñ‚ Ð³ÑƒÑÑŒ Ð½Ð° ÑÐ²ÑÑ‚ÑƒÑŽ Ð ÑƒÑÑŒ (ÐÐ°Ð¿Ð¾Ð»ÐµÐ¾Ð½).
ÐÐ° Ð ÑƒÑÐ¸ Ð½Ð¸ÐºÑ‚Ð¾ Ñ Ð³Ð¾Ð»Ð¾Ð´Ñƒ Ð½Ðµ ÑƒÐ¼Ð¸Ñ€Ñ‹Ð²Ð°Ð».
Ð ÑƒÑÐ¸ ÐµÑÑ‚ÑŒ Ð²ÐµÑÐµÐ»Ð¸Ðµ Ð¿Ð¸Ñ‚Ð¸, Ð½Ðµ Ð¼Ð¾Ð¶ÐµÑ‚ Ð±ÐµÐ· Ð½ÐµÐ³Ð¾ Ð±Ñ‹Ñ‚Ð¸ (Ð’Ð»Ð°Ð´Ð¸Ð¼.
I).
Ð ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ°Ñ ÐºÐ¾ÑÑ‚ÑŒ Ñ‚ÐµÐ¿Ð»Ð¾ Ð»ÑŽÐ±Ð¸Ñ‚. ÐŸÐ°Ñ€ ÐºÐ¾ÑÑ‚ÐµÐ¹ Ð½Ðµ Ð»Ð¾Ð¼Ð¸Ñ‚.
Ð ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¹ Ð³Ð¾ÑÑ‚Ð¸Ð½ÐµÑ† â€” ÐºÑƒÐ»Ð°Ð³Ð° Ñ ÑÐ°Ð»Ð°Ð¼Ð°Ñ‚Ð¾Ð¹.
Ð ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¹ Ñ‡ÐµÐ»Ð¾Ð²ÐµÐº Ñ…Ð»ÐµÐ±-ÑÐ¾Ð»ÑŒ Ð²Ð¾Ð´Ð¸Ñ‚.
Ð ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¾Ð³Ð¾ Ñ‡ÐµÐ»Ð¾Ð²ÐµÐºÐ° Ñ‡Ñ‚Ð¾ Ð¿Ð°Ñ€Ð¸Ñ‚ (Ð±Ð°Ð½Ñ), Ñ‚Ð¾ Ð¸ Ð¿Ñ€Ð°Ð²Ð¸Ñ‚ (Ð»ÐµÑ‡Ð¸Ñ‚).
Ð ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¹ Ñ‚ÐµÑ€Ð¿ÐµÐ»Ð¸Ð² Ð´Ð¾ Ð·Ð°Ñ‡Ð¸Ð½Ð°. Ð ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¹ Ð·Ð°Ð´Ð¾Ñ€Ð° Ð¶Ð´ÐµÑ‚.
Ð ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¹ Ð½Ð¸ Ñ Ð¼ÐµÑ‡Ð¾Ð¼, Ð½Ð¸ Ñ ÐºÐ°Ð»Ð°Ñ‡Ð¾Ð¼ Ð½Ðµ ÑˆÑƒÑ‚Ð¸Ñ‚.
Ð ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¹ Ð¼Ð¾Ð»Ð¾Ð´ÐµÑ† â€” ÑÑ‚Ðµ Ð±Ð°ÑÑƒÑ€Ð¼Ð°Ð½Ð°Ð¼ ÐºÐ¾Ð½ÐµÑ†.
ÐÐ° Ð¿Ð°Ñ€Ð´Ð¾Ð½, Ð½Ð° Ð°Ð¼Ð°Ð½ Ñƒ Ñ€ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¾Ð³Ð¾ Ð¸ ÑÐ»Ð¾Ð²Ð° Ð½ÐµÑ‚.
Ð ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¹ Ñ‡ÐµÐ»Ð¾Ð²ÐµÐº â€” Ð´Ð¾Ð±Ñ€Ñ‹Ð¹ Ñ‡ÐµÐ»Ð¾Ð²ÐµÐº (Ñ‡ÑƒÐ²Ð°ÑˆÑÐºÐ¸Ð¹ Ð¿Ñ€Ð¸Ð²ÐµÑ‚).
Ð ÑƒÑÐ°Ðº ÑƒÐ¼ÐµÐ½, Ð´Ð° Ð·Ð°Ð´Ð½Ð¸Ð¼ ÑƒÐ¼Ð¾Ð¼. Ð ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¹ Ð½Ð°Ð·Ð°Ð´ ÑƒÐ¼ÐµÐ½.
ÐšÐ°Ð±Ñ‹ Ñƒ Ð½ÐµÐ¼Ñ†Ð° Ð½Ð°Ð¿ÐµÑ€ÐµÐ´Ð¸, Ñ‡Ñ‚Ð¾ Ñƒ Ñ€ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¾Ð³Ð¾ Ð½Ð°Ð·Ð°Ð´Ð¸ â€” Ñ Ð½Ð¸Ð¼ Ð±Ñ‹ Ð¸ Ð»Ð°Ð´Ð¾Ð² Ð½Ðµ Ð±Ñ‹Ð»Ð¾ (ÑƒÐ¼).
Ð ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¹ Ð½Ð°Ñ€Ð¾Ð´ Ð½Ðµ Ð±Ð¾Ð¸Ñ‚ÑÑ ÐºÑ€ÐµÑÑ‚Ð°, Ð° Ð±Ð¾Ð¸Ñ‚ÑÑ Ð¿ÐµÑÑ‚Ð°.
Ð‘ÐµÐ¹ Ñ€ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¾Ð³Ð¾, Ñ‡Ð°ÑÑ‹ ÑÐ´ÐµÐ»Ð°ÐµÑ‚. Ð ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¹ Ñ‡Ñ‚Ð¾ ÑƒÐ²Ð¸Ð´Ð¸Ñ‚, Ñ‚Ð¾ Ð¸ ÑÐ´ÐµÐ»Ð°ÐµÑ‚.
Ð ÑƒÑÐ°Ðº Ð½Ðµ Ð´ÑƒÑ€Ð°Ðº: Ð¿Ð¾ÐµÑÑ‚ÑŒ Ð·Ð°Ñ…Ð¾Ñ‡ÐµÑ‚ â€” ÑÐºÐ°Ð¶ÐµÑ‚, Ð¿Ñ€Ð¸ÑÐµÑÑ‚ÑŒ Ð·Ð°Ñ…Ð¾Ñ‡ÐµÑ‚ â€” ÑÑÐ´ÐµÑ‚.
Ð ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¹ Ð´Ð¾Ð³Ð°Ð´Ð»Ð¸Ð² (ÑÐ¼ÐµÑ‚Ð»Ð¸Ð², ÑÐµÐ±Ðµ Ð½Ð° ÑƒÐ¼Ðµ).
ÐÐ° Ð ÑƒÑÐ¸ Ð½Ðµ Ð²ÑÐµ ÐºÐ°Ñ€Ð°ÑÐ¸ â€” ÐµÑÑ‚ÑŒ Ð¸ ÐµÑ€ÑˆÐ¸.
Ð ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¹ Ñ‡ÐµÐ»Ð¾Ð²ÐµÐº Ð»ÑŽÐ±Ð¸Ñ‚ Ð°Ð²Ð¾ÑÑŒ.
Ð ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¹ Ð½Ð° Ð°Ð²Ð¾ÑÑŒ Ð¸ Ð²Ð·Ñ€Ð¾Ñ.
Ð ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¹ Ñ‡ÐµÐ»Ð¾Ð²ÐµÐº Ð»ÑŽÐ±Ð¸Ñ‚ Ð°Ð²Ð¾ÑÑŒ, Ð½ÐµÐ±Ð¾ÑÑŒ Ð´Ð° ÐºÐ°Ðº-Ð½Ð¸Ð±ÑƒÐ´ÑŒ.
Ð ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¹ ÐºÑ€ÐµÐ¿Ð¾Ðº Ð½Ð° Ñ‚Ñ€ÐµÑ… ÑÐ²Ð°ÑÑ…: Ð°Ð²Ð¾ÑÑŒ, Ð½ÐµÐ±Ð¾ÑÑŒ Ð´Ð° ÐºÐ°Ðº-Ð½Ð¸Ð±ÑƒÐ´ÑŒ.
Ð ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¹ Ñ‡ÐµÐ»Ð¾Ð²ÐµÐº Ð¸ Ð³ÑƒÐ»Ð»Ð¸Ð² Ð¸ Ñ…Ð²Ð°ÑÑ‚Ð»Ð¸Ð².
Ð ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¹ Ð°Ð¿Ð¿ÐµÑ‚Ð¸Ñ‚ Ð½Ð¸ÐºÐ¾Ð³Ð´Ð° (Ð½Ð¸Ñ‡ÐµÐ¼Ñƒ) Ð½Ðµ Ð¿Ñ€ÐµÑ‚Ð¸Ñ‚.
ÐšÑ€ÐµÑÑ‚ÑŒÑÐ½ÑÐºÐ¾Ðµ Ð³Ð¾Ñ€Ð»Ð¾ â€” ÑÑƒÐºÐ¾Ð½Ð½Ð¾Ðµ Ð±ÐµÑ€Ð´Ð¾: Ð²ÑÐµ Ð¼Ð½ÐµÑ‚.
Ð’ Ñ€ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¾Ð¼ Ð±Ñ€ÑŽÑ…Ðµ Ð¸ Ð´Ð¾Ð»Ð¾Ñ‚Ð¾ ÑÐ³Ð½Ð¸ÐµÑ‚.
Ð§Ñ‚Ð¾ Ñ€ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¾Ð¼Ñƒ Ð·Ð´Ð¾Ñ€Ð¾Ð²Ð¾, Ñ‚Ð¾ Ð½ÐµÐ¼Ñ†Ñƒ ÑÐ¼ÐµÑ€Ñ‚ÑŒ.
Ð ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¹ Ñ‡Ð°Ñ â€” Ð´ÐµÑÑÑ‚ÑŒ, Ð° Ð½ÐµÐ¼ÐµÑ†ÐºÐ¾Ð¼Ñƒ Ð¸ ÐºÐ¾Ð½Ñ†Ð° Ð½ÐµÑ‚.
Ð¯ Ñ€ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¹, Ð½Ð° Ð¼Ð°Ð½ÐµÑ€ Ñ„Ñ€Ð°Ð½Ñ†ÑƒÐ·ÑÐºÐ¸Ð¹, Ñ‚Ð¾Ð»ÑŒÐºÐ¾ Ð½ÐµÐ¼Ð½Ð¾Ð³Ð¾ Ð¿Ð¾Ð³Ð¸ÑˆÐ¿Ð°Ð½Ð¸ÑÑ‚ÐµÐµ.
ÐžÐ½, Ð²Ð¸Ð´Ð½Ð¾, Ð¿Ð¾-Ñ€ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸ Ð½Ðµ Ð¿Ð¾Ð½Ð¸Ð¼Ð°ÐµÑ‚ (Ñ‚. Ðµ. Ñ…Ð¾Ñ‚ÑŒ ÐµÐ¼Ñƒ ÐºÐ°ÐºÑƒÑŽ Ð¿Ñ€Ð°Ð²Ð´Ñƒ Ð² Ð³Ð»Ð°Ð·Ð° Ð³Ð¾Ð²Ð¾Ñ€Ð¸).
Ð Ð¾Ð´Ð¾Ð¼ Ð½Ðµ Ð½ÐµÐ¼Ñ‡Ð¸Ð½, Ð° ÑƒÐºÐ°Ð·Ñ‹Ð²Ð°Ñ‚ÑŒ Ð³Ð¾Ñ€Ð°Ð·Ð´.
ÐŸÑ€Ð¸Ð½ÑÑ‚ÑŒ ÐºÐ¾Ð³Ð¾ Ð¿Ð¾-Ñ€ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸ (Ñ‚. Ðµ. Ð¸Ð»Ð¸ Ð¿Ñ€ÑÐ¼Ð¾ Ð¸ Ð³Ñ€ÑƒÐ±Ð¾, Ð¸Ð»Ð¸ Ñ…Ð»ÐµÐ±Ð¾ÑÐ¾Ð»ÑŒÐ½Ð¾).

Source: http://www.slova.ru/book_page/1/166.html

This is how Dahl characterizes the &quot;khokhol&quot; (a pejorative for Ukrainians or &quot;Malorossians&quot;)

ÐœÐ°Ð»Ð¾Ñ€Ð¾ÑÑÑ‹ â€” Ð¼Ð°Ð·ÐµÐ¿Ð¸Ð½Ñ†Ñ‹, Ñ…Ð¾Ñ…Ð»Ñ‹, Ñ‡ÑƒÐ±Ñ‹; Ð¸Ð½Ð´ÑŽÑˆÐºÐ° Ð²Ñ‹ÑÐ¸Ð´ÐµÐ»Ð°; Ð³Ð°Ð»ÑƒÑˆÐºÐ¾Ð¹ Ð¿Ð¾Ð´Ð°Ð²Ð¸Ð»ÑÑ. Ð˜Ð½Ð´ÐµÐ¹ÐºÐ° Ð¸Ð· Ð¾Ð´Ð½Ð¾Ð³Ð¾ ÑÐ¹Ñ†Ð° ÑÐµÐ¼ÐµÑ€Ñ‹Ñ… Ñ…Ð¾Ñ…Ð»Ð¾Ð² Ð²Ñ‹ÑÐ¸Ð´ÐµÐ»Ð°.
Ð§ÐµÑ€Ñ‚ Ñ Ñ…Ð¾Ñ…Ð»Ð° Ð³Ð¾Ð»Ð¾Ð²Ñƒ ÑÐ½ÑÐ» Ð´Ð° Ð¿Ñ€Ð¸ÑÑ‚Ð°Ð²Ð¸Ð» ÐµÐ¼Ñƒ Ð¸Ð½Ð´ÑŽÑˆÐµÑ‡ÑŒÑŽ.
Ð¥Ð¾Ñ…Ð¾Ð» Ð³Ð»ÑƒÐ¿ÐµÐµ Ð²Ð¾Ñ€Ð¾Ð½Ñ‹, Ð° Ñ…Ð¸Ñ‚Ñ€ÐµÐµ Ñ‡ÐµÑ€Ñ‚Ð°.
Ð¥Ð¾Ñ…Ð»Ð°Ñ†ÐºÐ¸Ð¹ Ñ†ÐµÐ¿ Ð½Ð° Ð²ÑÐµ ÑÑ‚Ð¾Ñ€Ð¾Ð½Ñ‹ Ð±ÑŒÐµÑ‚ (Ñ…Ð¾Ñ…Ð»Ñ‹ Ð¼Ð¾Ð»Ð¾Ñ‚ÑÑ‚ Ñ‡ÐµÑ€ÐµÐ· Ñ€ÑƒÐºÑƒ).
Ð§Ñ‚Ð¾Ð± Ñ‚Ðµ Ñ…Ð¾Ñ…Ð»Ñ‹ Ð´Ð° Ð¿Ð¾Ð²Ñ‹Ð´Ð¾Ñ…Ð»Ð¸! â€” Ð Ñ‡Ñ‚Ð¾Ð± Ñ‚Ðµ Ð¼Ð¾ÑÐºÐ°Ð»Ð¸ Ð´Ð° Ð¸Ñ… Ð¿Ð¾Ð²Ñ‹Ñ‚Ð°ÑÐºÐ°Ð»Ð¸ (Ð¾Ñ‚Ð²ÐµÑ‚).
Ð˜ Ð¿Ð¾ Ð²Ð¾Ð´Ñƒ Ñ…Ð¾Ñ…Ð¾Ð», Ð¸ Ð¿Ð¾ Ð¼ÑÐºÐ¸Ð½Ñƒ Ñ…Ð¾Ñ…Ð¾Ð».
Ð¥Ð¾Ñ…Ð¾Ð» Ð½Ðµ ÑÐ¾Ð²Ñ€ÐµÑ‚, Ð´Ð° Ð¸ Ð¿Ñ€Ð°Ð²Ð´Ñ‹ Ð½Ðµ ÑÐºÐ°Ð¶ÐµÑ‚.
ÐžÐ½ Ñ…Ð¾Ñ…Ð¾Ð» (Ñ‚. Ðµ. Ñ…Ð¸Ñ‚ÐµÑ€ Ð¸ ÑƒÐ¿Ñ€ÑÐ¼).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Da Russophile writes: &#8220;Making fun of Ukrainians does not imply a large degree of â€œseparatenessâ€, since there are plenty of examples of such within other nations. Italy would make a good example, with the northerners viewing the south as lazy and criminalized, and the southerners viewing the north as arrogant and aloof.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, but they don&#8217;t call them French or Spanish or German. I.e. they do not use different national terms for them. Here are a few of the examples of how the sayings Dahl collected characterize Russians and distinguish them from other nationalities:</p>
<p>Ð§Ñƒ! â€” Ð·Ð´ÐµÑÑŒ Ñ€ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¼ Ð´ÑƒÑ…Ð¾Ð¼ Ð¿Ð°Ñ…Ð½ÐµÑ‚.<br />
Ð ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¹ Ð±Ð¾Ð³ Ð²ÐµÐ»Ð¸Ðº. Ð ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¼ Ð±Ð¾Ð³Ð¾Ð¼ Ð´Ð° Ñ€ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¼ Ñ†Ð°Ñ€ÐµÐ¼ ÑÐ²ÑÑ‚Ð¾Ñ€ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ°Ñ Ð·ÐµÐ¼Ð»Ñ ÑÑ‚Ð¾Ð¸#Ñ‚.<br />
Ð ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¹ Ð½Ð°Ñ€Ð¾Ð´ â€” Ñ†Ð°Ñ€ÐµÐ»ÑŽÐ±Ð¸Ð²Ñ‹Ð¹.<br />
Ð—ÐµÐ¼Ð»Ñ Ñ€ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ°Ñ Ð²ÑÑ Ð¿Ð¾Ð´ Ð±Ð¾Ð³Ð¾Ð¼.<br />
Ð’ÐµÐ»Ð¸ÐºÐ° ÑÐ²ÑÑ‚Ð¾Ñ€ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ°Ñ Ð·ÐµÐ¼Ð»Ñ, Ð° Ð²ÐµÐ·Ð´Ðµ ÑÐ¾Ð»Ð½Ñ‹ÑˆÐºÐ¾.<br />
Ð’ÐµÐ»Ð¸ÐºÐ° ÑÐ²ÑÑ‚Ð¾Ñ€ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ°Ñ Ð·ÐµÐ¼Ð»Ñ, Ð° Ð¿Ñ€Ð°Ð²Ð´Ðµ Ð½Ð¸Ð³Ð´Ðµ Ð½ÐµÑ‚ Ð¼ÐµÑÑ‚Ð°.<br />
Ð Ð¾ÑÑÐ¸Ð¸ Ð¸ Ð»ÐµÑ‚Ñƒ ÑÐ¾ÑŽÐ·Ð° Ð½ÐµÑ‚Ñƒ. Ð ÑƒÑÑŒ Ð¿Ð¾Ð´ ÑÐ½ÐµÐ³Ð¾Ð¼ Ð·Ð°ÐºÐ¾Ñ‡ÐµÐ½ÐµÐ»Ð°.<br />
Ð›ÐµÑ‚Ð¸Ñ‚ Ð³ÑƒÑÑŒ Ð½Ð° ÑÐ²ÑÑ‚ÑƒÑŽ Ð ÑƒÑÑŒ (ÐÐ°Ð¿Ð¾Ð»ÐµÐ¾Ð½).<br />
ÐÐ° Ð ÑƒÑÐ¸ Ð½Ð¸ÐºÑ‚Ð¾ Ñ Ð³Ð¾Ð»Ð¾Ð´Ñƒ Ð½Ðµ ÑƒÐ¼Ð¸Ñ€Ñ‹Ð²Ð°Ð».<br />
Ð ÑƒÑÐ¸ ÐµÑÑ‚ÑŒ Ð²ÐµÑÐµÐ»Ð¸Ðµ Ð¿Ð¸Ñ‚Ð¸, Ð½Ðµ Ð¼Ð¾Ð¶ÐµÑ‚ Ð±ÐµÐ· Ð½ÐµÐ³Ð¾ Ð±Ñ‹Ñ‚Ð¸ (Ð’Ð»Ð°Ð´Ð¸Ð¼.<br />
I).<br />
Ð ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ°Ñ ÐºÐ¾ÑÑ‚ÑŒ Ñ‚ÐµÐ¿Ð»Ð¾ Ð»ÑŽÐ±Ð¸Ñ‚. ÐŸÐ°Ñ€ ÐºÐ¾ÑÑ‚ÐµÐ¹ Ð½Ðµ Ð»Ð¾Ð¼Ð¸Ñ‚.<br />
Ð ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¹ Ð³Ð¾ÑÑ‚Ð¸Ð½ÐµÑ† â€” ÐºÑƒÐ»Ð°Ð³Ð° Ñ ÑÐ°Ð»Ð°Ð¼Ð°Ñ‚Ð¾Ð¹.<br />
Ð ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¹ Ñ‡ÐµÐ»Ð¾Ð²ÐµÐº Ñ…Ð»ÐµÐ±-ÑÐ¾Ð»ÑŒ Ð²Ð¾Ð´Ð¸Ñ‚.<br />
Ð ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¾Ð³Ð¾ Ñ‡ÐµÐ»Ð¾Ð²ÐµÐºÐ° Ñ‡Ñ‚Ð¾ Ð¿Ð°Ñ€Ð¸Ñ‚ (Ð±Ð°Ð½Ñ), Ñ‚Ð¾ Ð¸ Ð¿Ñ€Ð°Ð²Ð¸Ñ‚ (Ð»ÐµÑ‡Ð¸Ñ‚).<br />
Ð ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¹ Ñ‚ÐµÑ€Ð¿ÐµÐ»Ð¸Ð² Ð´Ð¾ Ð·Ð°Ñ‡Ð¸Ð½Ð°. Ð ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¹ Ð·Ð°Ð´Ð¾Ñ€Ð° Ð¶Ð´ÐµÑ‚.<br />
Ð ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¹ Ð½Ð¸ Ñ Ð¼ÐµÑ‡Ð¾Ð¼, Ð½Ð¸ Ñ ÐºÐ°Ð»Ð°Ñ‡Ð¾Ð¼ Ð½Ðµ ÑˆÑƒÑ‚Ð¸Ñ‚.<br />
Ð ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¹ Ð¼Ð¾Ð»Ð¾Ð´ÐµÑ† â€” ÑÑ‚Ðµ Ð±Ð°ÑÑƒÑ€Ð¼Ð°Ð½Ð°Ð¼ ÐºÐ¾Ð½ÐµÑ†.<br />
ÐÐ° Ð¿Ð°Ñ€Ð´Ð¾Ð½, Ð½Ð° Ð°Ð¼Ð°Ð½ Ñƒ Ñ€ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¾Ð³Ð¾ Ð¸ ÑÐ»Ð¾Ð²Ð° Ð½ÐµÑ‚.<br />
Ð ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¹ Ñ‡ÐµÐ»Ð¾Ð²ÐµÐº â€” Ð´Ð¾Ð±Ñ€Ñ‹Ð¹ Ñ‡ÐµÐ»Ð¾Ð²ÐµÐº (Ñ‡ÑƒÐ²Ð°ÑˆÑÐºÐ¸Ð¹ Ð¿Ñ€Ð¸Ð²ÐµÑ‚).<br />
Ð ÑƒÑÐ°Ðº ÑƒÐ¼ÐµÐ½, Ð´Ð° Ð·Ð°Ð´Ð½Ð¸Ð¼ ÑƒÐ¼Ð¾Ð¼. Ð ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¹ Ð½Ð°Ð·Ð°Ð´ ÑƒÐ¼ÐµÐ½.<br />
ÐšÐ°Ð±Ñ‹ Ñƒ Ð½ÐµÐ¼Ñ†Ð° Ð½Ð°Ð¿ÐµÑ€ÐµÐ´Ð¸, Ñ‡Ñ‚Ð¾ Ñƒ Ñ€ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¾Ð³Ð¾ Ð½Ð°Ð·Ð°Ð´Ð¸ â€” Ñ Ð½Ð¸Ð¼ Ð±Ñ‹ Ð¸ Ð»Ð°Ð´Ð¾Ð² Ð½Ðµ Ð±Ñ‹Ð»Ð¾ (ÑƒÐ¼).<br />
Ð ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¹ Ð½Ð°Ñ€Ð¾Ð´ Ð½Ðµ Ð±Ð¾Ð¸Ñ‚ÑÑ ÐºÑ€ÐµÑÑ‚Ð°, Ð° Ð±Ð¾Ð¸Ñ‚ÑÑ Ð¿ÐµÑÑ‚Ð°.<br />
Ð‘ÐµÐ¹ Ñ€ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¾Ð³Ð¾, Ñ‡Ð°ÑÑ‹ ÑÐ´ÐµÐ»Ð°ÐµÑ‚. Ð ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¹ Ñ‡Ñ‚Ð¾ ÑƒÐ²Ð¸Ð´Ð¸Ñ‚, Ñ‚Ð¾ Ð¸ ÑÐ´ÐµÐ»Ð°ÐµÑ‚.<br />
Ð ÑƒÑÐ°Ðº Ð½Ðµ Ð´ÑƒÑ€Ð°Ðº: Ð¿Ð¾ÐµÑÑ‚ÑŒ Ð·Ð°Ñ…Ð¾Ñ‡ÐµÑ‚ â€” ÑÐºÐ°Ð¶ÐµÑ‚, Ð¿Ñ€Ð¸ÑÐµÑÑ‚ÑŒ Ð·Ð°Ñ…Ð¾Ñ‡ÐµÑ‚ â€” ÑÑÐ´ÐµÑ‚.<br />
Ð ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¹ Ð´Ð¾Ð³Ð°Ð´Ð»Ð¸Ð² (ÑÐ¼ÐµÑ‚Ð»Ð¸Ð², ÑÐµÐ±Ðµ Ð½Ð° ÑƒÐ¼Ðµ).<br />
ÐÐ° Ð ÑƒÑÐ¸ Ð½Ðµ Ð²ÑÐµ ÐºÐ°Ñ€Ð°ÑÐ¸ â€” ÐµÑÑ‚ÑŒ Ð¸ ÐµÑ€ÑˆÐ¸.<br />
Ð ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¹ Ñ‡ÐµÐ»Ð¾Ð²ÐµÐº Ð»ÑŽÐ±Ð¸Ñ‚ Ð°Ð²Ð¾ÑÑŒ.<br />
Ð ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¹ Ð½Ð° Ð°Ð²Ð¾ÑÑŒ Ð¸ Ð²Ð·Ñ€Ð¾Ñ.<br />
Ð ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¹ Ñ‡ÐµÐ»Ð¾Ð²ÐµÐº Ð»ÑŽÐ±Ð¸Ñ‚ Ð°Ð²Ð¾ÑÑŒ, Ð½ÐµÐ±Ð¾ÑÑŒ Ð´Ð° ÐºÐ°Ðº-Ð½Ð¸Ð±ÑƒÐ´ÑŒ.<br />
Ð ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¹ ÐºÑ€ÐµÐ¿Ð¾Ðº Ð½Ð° Ñ‚Ñ€ÐµÑ… ÑÐ²Ð°ÑÑ…: Ð°Ð²Ð¾ÑÑŒ, Ð½ÐµÐ±Ð¾ÑÑŒ Ð´Ð° ÐºÐ°Ðº-Ð½Ð¸Ð±ÑƒÐ´ÑŒ.<br />
Ð ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¹ Ñ‡ÐµÐ»Ð¾Ð²ÐµÐº Ð¸ Ð³ÑƒÐ»Ð»Ð¸Ð² Ð¸ Ñ…Ð²Ð°ÑÑ‚Ð»Ð¸Ð².<br />
Ð ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¹ Ð°Ð¿Ð¿ÐµÑ‚Ð¸Ñ‚ Ð½Ð¸ÐºÐ¾Ð³Ð´Ð° (Ð½Ð¸Ñ‡ÐµÐ¼Ñƒ) Ð½Ðµ Ð¿Ñ€ÐµÑ‚Ð¸Ñ‚.<br />
ÐšÑ€ÐµÑÑ‚ÑŒÑÐ½ÑÐºÐ¾Ðµ Ð³Ð¾Ñ€Ð»Ð¾ â€” ÑÑƒÐºÐ¾Ð½Ð½Ð¾Ðµ Ð±ÐµÑ€Ð´Ð¾: Ð²ÑÐµ Ð¼Ð½ÐµÑ‚.<br />
Ð’ Ñ€ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¾Ð¼ Ð±Ñ€ÑŽÑ…Ðµ Ð¸ Ð´Ð¾Ð»Ð¾Ñ‚Ð¾ ÑÐ³Ð½Ð¸ÐµÑ‚.<br />
Ð§Ñ‚Ð¾ Ñ€ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¾Ð¼Ñƒ Ð·Ð´Ð¾Ñ€Ð¾Ð²Ð¾, Ñ‚Ð¾ Ð½ÐµÐ¼Ñ†Ñƒ ÑÐ¼ÐµÑ€Ñ‚ÑŒ.<br />
Ð ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¹ Ñ‡Ð°Ñ â€” Ð´ÐµÑÑÑ‚ÑŒ, Ð° Ð½ÐµÐ¼ÐµÑ†ÐºÐ¾Ð¼Ñƒ Ð¸ ÐºÐ¾Ð½Ñ†Ð° Ð½ÐµÑ‚.<br />
Ð¯ Ñ€ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¹, Ð½Ð° Ð¼Ð°Ð½ÐµÑ€ Ñ„Ñ€Ð°Ð½Ñ†ÑƒÐ·ÑÐºÐ¸Ð¹, Ñ‚Ð¾Ð»ÑŒÐºÐ¾ Ð½ÐµÐ¼Ð½Ð¾Ð³Ð¾ Ð¿Ð¾Ð³Ð¸ÑˆÐ¿Ð°Ð½Ð¸ÑÑ‚ÐµÐµ.<br />
ÐžÐ½, Ð²Ð¸Ð´Ð½Ð¾, Ð¿Ð¾-Ñ€ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸ Ð½Ðµ Ð¿Ð¾Ð½Ð¸Ð¼Ð°ÐµÑ‚ (Ñ‚. Ðµ. Ñ…Ð¾Ñ‚ÑŒ ÐµÐ¼Ñƒ ÐºÐ°ÐºÑƒÑŽ Ð¿Ñ€Ð°Ð²Ð´Ñƒ Ð² Ð³Ð»Ð°Ð·Ð° Ð³Ð¾Ð²Ð¾Ñ€Ð¸).<br />
Ð Ð¾Ð´Ð¾Ð¼ Ð½Ðµ Ð½ÐµÐ¼Ñ‡Ð¸Ð½, Ð° ÑƒÐºÐ°Ð·Ñ‹Ð²Ð°Ñ‚ÑŒ Ð³Ð¾Ñ€Ð°Ð·Ð´.<br />
ÐŸÑ€Ð¸Ð½ÑÑ‚ÑŒ ÐºÐ¾Ð³Ð¾ Ð¿Ð¾-Ñ€ÑƒÑÑÐºÐ¸ (Ñ‚. Ðµ. Ð¸Ð»Ð¸ Ð¿Ñ€ÑÐ¼Ð¾ Ð¸ Ð³Ñ€ÑƒÐ±Ð¾, Ð¸Ð»Ð¸ Ñ…Ð»ÐµÐ±Ð¾ÑÐ¾Ð»ÑŒÐ½Ð¾).</p>
<p>Source: <a href="http://www.slova.ru/book_page/1/166.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.slova.ru/book_page/1/166.html</a></p>
<p>This is how Dahl characterizes the &#8220;khokhol&#8221; (a pejorative for Ukrainians or &#8220;Malorossians&#8221;)</p>
<p>ÐœÐ°Ð»Ð¾Ñ€Ð¾ÑÑÑ‹ â€” Ð¼Ð°Ð·ÐµÐ¿Ð¸Ð½Ñ†Ñ‹, Ñ…Ð¾Ñ…Ð»Ñ‹, Ñ‡ÑƒÐ±Ñ‹; Ð¸Ð½Ð´ÑŽÑˆÐºÐ° Ð²Ñ‹ÑÐ¸Ð´ÐµÐ»Ð°; Ð³Ð°Ð»ÑƒÑˆÐºÐ¾Ð¹ Ð¿Ð¾Ð´Ð°Ð²Ð¸Ð»ÑÑ. Ð˜Ð½Ð´ÐµÐ¹ÐºÐ° Ð¸Ð· Ð¾Ð´Ð½Ð¾Ð³Ð¾ ÑÐ¹Ñ†Ð° ÑÐµÐ¼ÐµÑ€Ñ‹Ñ… Ñ…Ð¾Ñ…Ð»Ð¾Ð² Ð²Ñ‹ÑÐ¸Ð´ÐµÐ»Ð°.<br />
Ð§ÐµÑ€Ñ‚ Ñ Ñ…Ð¾Ñ…Ð»Ð° Ð³Ð¾Ð»Ð¾Ð²Ñƒ ÑÐ½ÑÐ» Ð´Ð° Ð¿Ñ€Ð¸ÑÑ‚Ð°Ð²Ð¸Ð» ÐµÐ¼Ñƒ Ð¸Ð½Ð´ÑŽÑˆÐµÑ‡ÑŒÑŽ.<br />
Ð¥Ð¾Ñ…Ð¾Ð» Ð³Ð»ÑƒÐ¿ÐµÐµ Ð²Ð¾Ñ€Ð¾Ð½Ñ‹, Ð° Ñ…Ð¸Ñ‚Ñ€ÐµÐµ Ñ‡ÐµÑ€Ñ‚Ð°.<br />
Ð¥Ð¾Ñ…Ð»Ð°Ñ†ÐºÐ¸Ð¹ Ñ†ÐµÐ¿ Ð½Ð° Ð²ÑÐµ ÑÑ‚Ð¾Ñ€Ð¾Ð½Ñ‹ Ð±ÑŒÐµÑ‚ (Ñ…Ð¾Ñ…Ð»Ñ‹ Ð¼Ð¾Ð»Ð¾Ñ‚ÑÑ‚ Ñ‡ÐµÑ€ÐµÐ· Ñ€ÑƒÐºÑƒ).<br />
Ð§Ñ‚Ð¾Ð± Ñ‚Ðµ Ñ…Ð¾Ñ…Ð»Ñ‹ Ð´Ð° Ð¿Ð¾Ð²Ñ‹Ð´Ð¾Ñ…Ð»Ð¸! â€” Ð Ñ‡Ñ‚Ð¾Ð± Ñ‚Ðµ Ð¼Ð¾ÑÐºÐ°Ð»Ð¸ Ð´Ð° Ð¸Ñ… Ð¿Ð¾Ð²Ñ‹Ñ‚Ð°ÑÐºÐ°Ð»Ð¸ (Ð¾Ñ‚Ð²ÐµÑ‚).<br />
Ð˜ Ð¿Ð¾ Ð²Ð¾Ð´Ñƒ Ñ…Ð¾Ñ…Ð¾Ð», Ð¸ Ð¿Ð¾ Ð¼ÑÐºÐ¸Ð½Ñƒ Ñ…Ð¾Ñ…Ð¾Ð».<br />
Ð¥Ð¾Ñ…Ð¾Ð» Ð½Ðµ ÑÐ¾Ð²Ñ€ÐµÑ‚, Ð´Ð° Ð¸ Ð¿Ñ€Ð°Ð²Ð´Ñ‹ Ð½Ðµ ÑÐºÐ°Ð¶ÐµÑ‚.<br />
ÐžÐ½ Ñ…Ð¾Ñ…Ð¾Ð» (Ñ‚. Ðµ. Ñ…Ð¸Ñ‚ÐµÑ€ Ð¸ ÑƒÐ¿Ñ€ÑÐ¼).</p>
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		<title>By: Da Russophile</title>
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		<dc:creator>Da Russophile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 04:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re-&quot;The youngest respondents (20-year-olds) showed the same degree of dislike of the US as their grandparents, while the 35-45 year olds were less hostile to the US.&quot;

Actually there is a pretty simple but politically incorrect (at least in these quarters) explanation of that. I think this article sums it up best (http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_nicolai__070623_russia_s_new_cyberwa.htm):

&quot;Putinâ€™s gentle leg pulling of a few doe-eyed western reporters, and the spontaneous reaction of thousands of Russian internet users to the outrageous assumption made by the BBC, both carry the same message (though many in the West will be loathe to hear it)--unlike their elders who were uncomfortable dealing with the outside world, today&#039;s young Russians are not about to let insulting stereotypes about their lives and their values pass totally unchallenged. To earn their respect, one has to give it.

Until recently, Russians rarely ever saw what was said about them in the Western media. When they did, language barriers and scarcity of internet access meant they had no way to respond in a timely manner, and to set the record straight.

But now that a quarter of the population has regular internet access, they can read what is being written about their country in real time on Russian translation sites, and they are finding out, as Daniel Thorniley, Senior Vice President of the Economist Group recently put it, that it is â€œ95 percent rubbishâ€ (true, he was talking about business--an area where the coverage is still relatively favorable).

For the first time in history, the global reach of the internet is allowing large numbers of Russians (and others within the former Soviet Union) to talk to the West directly, rather than only through the filter provided by visiting journalists and pundits. This means the free pass given by Russians to those who write about them, something that most of us here have long taken for granted, is rapidly coming to an end. We already see the first signs of the new era in the blistering comments from outraged Russian readers that now appear regularly on the web sites of major British newspapers...&quot;

This is the reason that university-educated Muscovites are according to polls the most disillusioned of all social groups with the West; they have concrete experience of it, unlike the rose-tinted nostalgia the middle-aged carry towards it from the days of the Cold War. One must also qualify how to define being &quot;hostile&quot; towards a country - for instance, the greatest level of support for getting educated in a Western university is among that same youngest demographic, which indicates that their &quot;hostility&quot; is a pragmatic rather than ideological/propagandistic thing.

Re-&quot;I yield to few in my preference for the market or individual liberty, but I always thought that Fukayamaâ€™s â€œend of historyâ€ stuff was bilge, not least because it was based on crypto-Hegelian bilge.&quot;

As an admirer of Hegel, I thought it was quite convincing (and not contradictory to the &quot;clash of civilizations&quot; thesis either). That said I do not believe modern liberal democracy and free markets are  &lt;i&gt;the&lt;/i&gt; final stage of history.

Re-&quot;It is my understanding that historically, peasants had little national, Russian, consciousness.  Their world was defined by the mir. They had some personal attachment to the Tsar, but did not identify themselves as Russians.   They considered themselves part of a locality and the commune, and were attached to the landâ€“both legally (in the days of serfdom) but more important emotionally.  &quot;

Another strong plane of attachment, which I suspect was much stronger than Michel&#039;s nationalities, was with the Orthodox world in general (a bit like the concept of the Muslim umma today). Making fun of Ukrainians does not imply a large degree of &quot;separateness&quot;, since there are plenty of examples of such within other nations. Italy would make a good example, with the northerners viewing the south as lazy and criminalized, and the southerners viewing the north as arrogant and aloof. In fact IIRC for a long time in Tsarist Russia, the &quot;nationality&quot; entry in internal passports was either &quot;Orthodox&quot;, &quot;Jew&quot; or &quot;Mussulmann&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re-&#8221;The youngest respondents (20-year-olds) showed the same degree of dislike of the US as their grandparents, while the 35-45 year olds were less hostile to the US.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually there is a pretty simple but politically incorrect (at least in these quarters) explanation of that. I think this article sums it up best (<a href="http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_nicolai__070623_russia_s_new_cyberwa.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_nicolai__070623_russia_s_new_cyberwa.htm</a>):</p>
<p>&#8220;Putinâ€™s gentle leg pulling of a few doe-eyed western reporters, and the spontaneous reaction of thousands of Russian internet users to the outrageous assumption made by the BBC, both carry the same message (though many in the West will be loathe to hear it)&#8211;unlike their elders who were uncomfortable dealing with the outside world, today&#8217;s young Russians are not about to let insulting stereotypes about their lives and their values pass totally unchallenged. To earn their respect, one has to give it.</p>
<p>Until recently, Russians rarely ever saw what was said about them in the Western media. When they did, language barriers and scarcity of internet access meant they had no way to respond in a timely manner, and to set the record straight.</p>
<p>But now that a quarter of the population has regular internet access, they can read what is being written about their country in real time on Russian translation sites, and they are finding out, as Daniel Thorniley, Senior Vice President of the Economist Group recently put it, that it is â€œ95 percent rubbishâ€ (true, he was talking about business&#8211;an area where the coverage is still relatively favorable).</p>
<p>For the first time in history, the global reach of the internet is allowing large numbers of Russians (and others within the former Soviet Union) to talk to the West directly, rather than only through the filter provided by visiting journalists and pundits. This means the free pass given by Russians to those who write about them, something that most of us here have long taken for granted, is rapidly coming to an end. We already see the first signs of the new era in the blistering comments from outraged Russian readers that now appear regularly on the web sites of major British newspapers&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>This is the reason that university-educated Muscovites are according to polls the most disillusioned of all social groups with the West; they have concrete experience of it, unlike the rose-tinted nostalgia the middle-aged carry towards it from the days of the Cold War. One must also qualify how to define being &#8220;hostile&#8221; towards a country &#8211; for instance, the greatest level of support for getting educated in a Western university is among that same youngest demographic, which indicates that their &#8220;hostility&#8221; is a pragmatic rather than ideological/propagandistic thing.</p>
<p>Re-&#8221;I yield to few in my preference for the market or individual liberty, but I always thought that Fukayamaâ€™s â€œend of historyâ€ stuff was bilge, not least because it was based on crypto-Hegelian bilge.&#8221;</p>
<p>As an admirer of Hegel, I thought it was quite convincing (and not contradictory to the &#8220;clash of civilizations&#8221; thesis either). That said I do not believe modern liberal democracy and free markets are  <i>the</i> final stage of history.</p>
<p>Re-&#8221;It is my understanding that historically, peasants had little national, Russian, consciousness.  Their world was defined by the mir. They had some personal attachment to the Tsar, but did not identify themselves as Russians.   They considered themselves part of a locality and the commune, and were attached to the landâ€“both legally (in the days of serfdom) but more important emotionally.  &#8221;</p>
<p>Another strong plane of attachment, which I suspect was much stronger than Michel&#8217;s nationalities, was with the Orthodox world in general (a bit like the concept of the Muslim umma today). Making fun of Ukrainians does not imply a large degree of &#8220;separateness&#8221;, since there are plenty of examples of such within other nations. Italy would make a good example, with the northerners viewing the south as lazy and criminalized, and the southerners viewing the north as arrogant and aloof. In fact IIRC for a long time in Tsarist Russia, the &#8220;nationality&#8221; entry in internal passports was either &#8220;Orthodox&#8221;, &#8220;Jew&#8221; or &#8220;Mussulmann&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Michel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 03:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The paradoxical thing is that you have a strong sense of nationhood, but weak nationalism. You have weak nationalism, but a strong sense of patriotism/chauvinism. Let me explain, you have a very strong sense of belonging to a state in Russia, but the Russians outside of Russia have for the most part accepted living in other states. There is no great desire to create a &quot;Greater Russia&quot; among Russian-speakers living outside of Russia, but within Russia you have a strong attachment to the state. It is an interesting case to study.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The paradoxical thing is that you have a strong sense of nationhood, but weak nationalism. You have weak nationalism, but a strong sense of patriotism/chauvinism. Let me explain, you have a very strong sense of belonging to a state in Russia, but the Russians outside of Russia have for the most part accepted living in other states. There is no great desire to create a &#8220;Greater Russia&#8221; among Russian-speakers living outside of Russia, but within Russia you have a strong attachment to the state. It is an interesting case to study.</p>
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		<title>By: The Professor</title>
		<link>http://streetwiseprofessor.com/?p=1521&#038;cpage=1#comment-64455</link>
		<dc:creator>The Professor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 02:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surya--Stiglitz is the bilge-iest;-)  And yes, the American flirtation with protectionism is shameful.  Unfortunately, I think we are about to move quickly from flirtation to marriage.  The problem is, there&#039;s no economic parallel to a quickie Vegas divorce. Once we&#039;ve married protectionism in the midst of a severe recession/depression, it&#039;s &#039;til (economic) death do us part.  You&#039;d think that after Smoot-Hawley Congress would have learned.  Silly me.

Michel--Knew I was taking a risk by playing on somebody else&#039;s home field&#039;-)  Actually, haven&#039;t read Hosking, so he wasn&#039;t the source of the information.  Mainly got it from Pipes, I believe, and perhaps Figes.  Also, I think, from a bio of Peter the Great.  Have to leaf through some of the stuff I&#039;ve read over the past couple of years to nail that down, but I&#039;m sure it wasn&#039;t Hosking. 

Thanks for the education.  Interested in learning more.  

I do have a question though, as to whether the national identity to which you refer was as state-centric as the current nationalism seems to be.  That is, was there a conscious effort to identify the narod with the state, and the state with the narod?  If so, when did that begin?  Have such efforts waxed and waned?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surya&#8211;Stiglitz is the bilge-iest;-)  And yes, the American flirtation with protectionism is shameful.  Unfortunately, I think we are about to move quickly from flirtation to marriage.  The problem is, there&#8217;s no economic parallel to a quickie Vegas divorce. Once we&#8217;ve married protectionism in the midst of a severe recession/depression, it&#8217;s &#8217;til (economic) death do us part.  You&#8217;d think that after Smoot-Hawley Congress would have learned.  Silly me.</p>
<p>Michel&#8211;Knew I was taking a risk by playing on somebody else&#8217;s home field&#8217;-)  Actually, haven&#8217;t read Hosking, so he wasn&#8217;t the source of the information.  Mainly got it from Pipes, I believe, and perhaps Figes.  Also, I think, from a bio of Peter the Great.  Have to leaf through some of the stuff I&#8217;ve read over the past couple of years to nail that down, but I&#8217;m sure it wasn&#8217;t Hosking. </p>
<p>Thanks for the education.  Interested in learning more.  </p>
<p>I do have a question though, as to whether the national identity to which you refer was as state-centric as the current nationalism seems to be.  That is, was there a conscious effort to identify the narod with the state, and the state with the narod?  If so, when did that begin?  Have such efforts waxed and waned?</p>
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